Eurovision: Eden Golan's October Rain/Hurricane In Malmo

[Just A Jew]

If she would cancel her chillul shabbos we would be applauding her all over for her פינטעלע איד!

Chillul shabbos is your line, and for the next guy it's tznius, or whether she keeps kosher, or taharas hamishpacha, or goes to shul to hear parshas Zachor. What does any of that have to do with this?

[ExGingi]

Do you seriously disagree with the notion that Judaism revolves around observance?!

What does that have to do with history?

Obviously it was the observant MINORITY that sustained Jewish existence throughout generations. Are you going to ignore history?

[jye]

I don't know about you but in my religion we have this concrete yesod that אומתינו בני ישראל אינה אומה אלא בתורותיה. You can try being melamed zechus on her being a tinok shnishba and that might be okay, but calling a non znius shabbos violating performance to represent a secular Israel "stood as a proud Jew, not a Jew with trembling knees" is utterly disgusting, and very sad that such a knee jerk not thought out observation made its way to the usually well respected DDMS.

I want to puke. The 1998 Israeli Eurovision winner was a transgender. If this is what Jewish pride is about maybe we should have stayed in Egypt. The fact that anyone I respect would give any nod to Israeli participation in Eurovision literally makes it hard to keep down my supper.

[ExGingi]

5 idiots from each country. Who were all in on the fix because they didn't want to be associated politically with Israel or didn't want to cause a riot in the streets of Malmo.

Here is where we fail in the PR arena.

Fail to point out the savagery of riots and violence over any little thing.

Failure to call a spade a spade ISLAMONAZIS!

[EliJelly]

You, my dear friend, are ignorant of history.

וחמושים יצאו בני ישראל ממצרים. Even that far back it was 20% at best.

Go ahead show a time after Matan Torah when the majority of our nation wasn't observant. It happened after Haskalah, do your homework again. Besides, I have no idea why this too is relevant to our discussion.

[DaasTora]

What does that have to do with history?

Obviously it was the observant MINORITY that sustained Jewish existence throughout generations. Are you going to ignore history?

I don’t know where history comes in to this conversation. CV asked about Jew=Religious, and I responded. You in turn started pointing out historical facts which don’t affect my post at all.

[CountValentine]

5 idiots from each country. Who were all in on the fix because they didn't want to be associated politically with Israel or didn't want to cause a riot in the streets of Malmo.

Now contrast that to the millions and millions voting for Israel in this current environment.

[Just A Jew]

“ But in the end, in the face of incredible adversity, Eden Golan stood as a proud Jew, not a Jew with trembling knees, but one ready to take on the world, even if the world is blinded by hate and lies.”
What’s so “proud Jew”ish of stamping on the Torah?  I’m a “proud Jew” with “trembling knees” as long as we’re in galus.

I'm assuming g you're talking about this post. No one, literally no one, is saying she is a role model of Torah observance. No one is saying the frum world should look up to her. Here's the reality: 90% of Jews today aren't very religious. They are as Jewish as you or me. Their lives will be threatened for it just like you or me. And after 120, we will all be judged by the same G-d. None of that has anything to do with this.

[Dan]

Now contrast that to the millions and millions voting for Israel in this current environment.

Yes, that's amazing, as the post says.
But I still think the fix is in and the numbers back me up.

FWIW, without those numbers being public, there is no post. I'm a hopeless numbers guy.

[DaasTora]

Chillul shabbos is your line, and for the next guy it's tznius, or whether she keeps kosher, or taharas hamishpacha, or goes to shul to hear parshas Zachor. What does any of that have to do with this?

Where exactly did her “Pintele Yid” come out in this story?

[Dan]

[ExGingi]

I want to puke. The 1998 Israeli Eurovision winner was a transgender. If this is what Jewish pride is about maybe we should have stayed in Egypt. The fact that anyone I respect would give any nod to Israeli participation in Eurovision literally makes it hard to keep down my supper.

Kind of reiterating what I've been saying throughout this thread. It's a ridiculous perverted pageant.

That being said, I will acknowledge a certain (misplaced and misguided) element of Jewish (despite everything) pride. Would have probably been better if they withdrew after being forced to change the lyrics.

[DaasTora]

I'm assuming g you're talking about this post. No one, literally no one, is saying she is a role model of Torah observance. No one is saying the frum world should look up to her. Here's the reality: 90% of Jews today aren't very religious. They are as Jewish as you or me. Their lives will be threatened for it just like you or me. And after 120, we will all be judged by the same G-d. None of that has anything to do with this.

My bad. I was referring to this post https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=136285.msg2821917#msg2821917 and I corrected it a minute later.

[CountValentine]

But I still think the fix is in and the numbers back me up.

Fix as they conspired together or fix as they didn't vote fair?
If it is they didn't vote fair, then Israel jury and public did the same.

[Dan]

a secular Israel "stood as a proud Jew, not a Jew with trembling knees" is utterly disgusting

Out of curiosity, without looking, so you know where the quote is from?

[Just A Jew]

Where exactly did her “Pintele Yid” come out in this story?

How many secular Jews do you know?

[NoC]

Judaism is a religion based race. Our identity is one with our religion. Unfortunately over the years in exile many people lost their religious observance. They remain Jews and we love them and hope for them to return. I don’t think there’s any “Jewish” pride in doing what she did. Jewish pride is strictly when doing “Jewish” things. For example putting on teffilin in face of antisemitism or similar things.

Yep, Jewish pride is reserved for bibi putting on teffilin for the first time in his career. Jewish thing

[EliJelly]

Chillul shabbos is your line, and for the next guy it's tznius, or whether she keeps kosher, or taharas hamishpacha, or goes to shul to hear parshas Zachor. What does any of that have to do with this?

Do you seriously disagree that being a Jew has nothing to do with observance?

It's not about observing this mitzva versus observing that mitzva, struggling with this versus that. It's about recognizing that our religion is based on following the Torah, regardless of the degree one succeeds with that, versus replacing that with something which is totally antithetical to it.   

[ExGingi]

Go ahead show a time after Matan Torah when the majority of our nation wasn't observant. It happened after Haskalah, do your homework again. Besides, I have no idea why this too is relevant to our discussion.

Are you serious?

Are you ignorant of what went on during the times of מלכי ישראל ויהודה? Are you aware of the concept of חבר?

[Dan]

Fix as they conspired together or fix as they didn't vote fair?
If it is they didn't vote fair, then Israel jury and public did the same.

The odds that 15 countries voted to give Israel first and that no juries ranked Israel is infinitesimally small. Especially given that the jurors didn't talk to each other after the performance. And based on previous years, the numbers back me up.

I don't think there was any chance any were going to vote for Israel.