"I was a Hasidic Jew - but I broke free"

[YitzyS]

It is clear he never stopped believing in ST

Clear from what? Can you show me a rabbinic source from after the time of that story that says this?

[imayid2]

Clear from what? Can you show me a rabbinic source from after the time of that story that says this?

Does the שבט מוסר itself count?

[YitzyS]

I think it’s the perception of anyone who actually studied the topic.

+100. Which is why we don't 'study' it, and instead rely on mesorah.

Studying a topic will lead you to the people who wrote on the topic. It's like saying in 100 years that if you 'study' the topic, Trump was a dictator who threatened democracy with a horrible insurrection on January 6.

I don't care what secular writers penned on the subject, when I have a clear mesoras haTorah contradicting them.

[YitzyS]

Does the שבט מוסר itself count?

I am unfamiliar with the background and the context. But I think that bringing his sefer is almost like bringing Rav Yaakov Emden that Rav Eibeshetz was wrong.

I would be more convinced by a sefer (or better yet, an oral statement from a gadol) from a later period.

[imayid2]

I don't care what secular writers penned on the subject, when I have a clear mesoras haTorah contradicting them.

You’re saying that this that you heard from your rebbeim is a קבלה איש מפי איש? Do you know that for certain? Perhaps it merely reflects their own opinion. They are entitled to their opinion but I’m unclear exactly how this mesoras hatorah business is working.

[imayid2]

I would be more convinced by a sefer (or better yet, an oral statement from a gadol) from a later period.

In the haskama of the שואל ומשיב to the שבר מוסר he discusses the fact that there are problematic parts to the sefer.

It seems he was unaware that the shevet mussar printed it himself בחייו. (Also seems to have missed this part)

Why would a gadol be making oral statements about this? What’s the point? Maybe they did back then, how would we know?

[imayid2]

https://forum.otzar.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=7446

[aygart]

In most cases, Mesorah is what you get orally from rebbeim, and this is the notion that I've heard from all my rebbeim and roshei yeshiva, including tremendous luminaries. Incidentally, I also just heard it recently on a recording from Rav Kalman Krohn.

That is exactly the perception of an academic.

These people have a mesorah going back to their rebbeim, going back to their rebbeim, etc. They understand the hashkafas Hatorah much better than s who read some journalist who read what some other journalist conjectured at the time and now thinks that he has the ultimate understanding of the ideals and motivations of gedolei hador.

Did they tell you that this is where they got it from? Was it that both were tzaddikim lshem shomayim with pure intent even though one or the other may have been mistaken or that neither was mistaken at all?

[Baruch]

From the Noda BeYehuda's Igeres Shlomim

[imayid2]

Incomplete perspective without seeing Leimans piece on the נודע ביהודהs shita

[imayid2]

I would be more convinced by a sefer (or better yet, an oral statement from a gadol) from a later period.

See here אות ה in the name of the Leshem.

[torashaman]

See here אות ה in the name of the Leshem.

FTFY

[imayid2]

FTFY

Thanks, fixed

[EliJelly]

Was it that both were tzaddikim lshem shomayim with pure intent even though one or the other may have been mistaken or that neither was mistaken at all?

"Rav Yaakov Emden was 100 percent right in his quest, and was 100 percent leshaim shomayim" doesn't mean he wasn't mistaken.

[EliJelly]

I don’t know if you can stomach it (I don’t mean that in a bad way), but for more M’M (including R. Ruvain Margalious) see here footnote 1.

Wow. Kudos to those volunteering to answer the -usually unanswered- call of "מי יכניס ראשו בין ההרים הגדולים".

[imayid2]

Wow. Kudos to those volunteering to answer the -usually unanswered- call of "מי יכניס ראשו בין ההרים הגדולים".

Are you referring to Rabbi Plotzki?

[EliJelly]

Are you referring to Rabbi Plotzki?

I didn't see what the Kli Chemda writes on the matter, and even if he writes something over the top it doesn't mean we can follow suit.

[imayid2]

Trying to wrap my head around the people seeking brachos from the Yabloner Rebbe while he was irreligious…

Can’t make this stuff up.

[ExGingi]

Trying to wrap my head around the people seeking brachos from the Yabloner Rebbe while he was irreligious…

Can’t make this stuff up.

אל תהי ברכת הדיוט קלה בעיניך

Add זכות אבות.

[yelped]

Trying to wrap my head around the people seeking brachos from the Yabloner Rebbe while he was irreligious…

Can’t make this stuff up.

I don't remember that part. Where do you see that? Didn't he disappear for years  when he became not frum and only was known again once he came back?