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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2012, 09:03:42 PM »
Doesnt Sep's Hemisphere say UA is reducing capacity across the board?

Wouldn't SFO make more sense?

ETA I see the article mentions that...
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2012, 09:05:31 PM »
Doesnt Sep's Hemisphere say UA is reducing capacity across the board?

Wouldn't SFO make more sense?
Reducing capacity doesn't mean they won't try for a more profitable route.

And LAX/SFO won't happen IMHO as there's not enough feeder traffic.  ORD has a big Jewish community (which is why CO never did IAH-TLV) and the advantage of tons of feeder traffic.  SFO-ORD-TLV as a direct flight could be feasible though.
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2012, 09:09:13 PM »
Reducing capacity doesn't mean they won't try for a more profitable route.

And LAX/SFO won't happen IMHO as there's not enough feeder traffic.  ORD has a big Jewish community (which is why CO never did IAH-TLV) and the advantage of tons of feeder traffic.  SFO-ORD-TLV as a direct flight could be feasible though.
If LY can sustain LAX-TLV, why can't UA with feeder from the entire West Coast?

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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2012, 09:15:36 PM »
If LY can sustain LAX-TLV, why can't UA with feeder from the entire West Coast?
LAX-TLV can't sustain daily service for LY and that's with AA codeshares connecting west coast traffic to their LAX hub.  I'd be surprised if it's even profitable for LY but they can't relocate it anywhere else in the US
(MIA, ORD, SFO, etc) because of the FAA situation.

Why would UA want to enter such a market when they can own one with no competition?
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2012, 09:16:24 PM »
LAX-TLV can't sustain daily service for LY and that's with AA codeshares connecting west coast traffic to their LAX hub.  I'd be surprised if it's even profitable for LY but they can't relocate it anywhere else in the US
(MIA, ORD, SFO, etc) because of the FAA situation.

Why would UA want to enter such a market when they can own one with no other competition?
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2012, 09:19:37 PM »
LAX-TLV can't sustain daily service for LY and that's with AA codeshares connecting west coast traffic to their LAX hub.  I'd be surprised if it's even profitable for LY but they can't relocate it anywhere else in the US
(MIA, ORD, SFO, etc) because of the FAA situation.

Why would UA want to enter such a market when they can own one with no other competition?
SFO is a hub for UA too.
ORD-TLV has a lot of single connection options, UA needs the feeder where the European carriers require 2 stops. SFO & EWR can better supplement each other in terms of connecting passengers.

And I think SFO will have more premium traffic from Silicon Valley, but thats just my guess.
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2012, 09:24:19 PM »
SFO is a hub for UA too.
ORD-TLV has a lot of single connection options, UA needs the feeder where the European carriers require 2 stops. SFO & EWR can better supplement each other in terms of connecting passengers.

And I think SFO will have more premium traffic from Silicon Valley, but thats just my guess.
Exactly why a direct SFO-ORD-TLV flight would make sense.  Hopefully on a 787!

SFO-TLV direct would push the range limits for most planes and there simply is not enough O/D traffic in SFO for it to make sense.  Just selling the J cabin isn't going to make a profitable flight.
ORD has much more O/D TLV traffic and can catch a whole lot more traffic than SFO can.
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2012, 12:38:41 AM »
I'd be surprised if it's even profitable for LY


i heard it's not, and they are grappling with the issue
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2012, 12:40:14 AM »
i heard it's not, and they are grappling with the issue
They're between a rock and a hard place with the FAA restrictions.
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2012, 10:11:34 AM »
Another extremely good advantage that ORD has a lot more than SFO is that all NY residents which are the biggest base of TLV paxs, always consider flying with 1 stop vs. direct if the price is decently cheaper. Which leaves United with an option to lower the ORD prices in case they don't fill up, and get a decent chunk of NY paxs, a thing that would never happen with SFO, which is completely out of the route.
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2012, 04:11:35 PM »
Another extremely good advantage that ORD has a lot more than SFO is that all NY residents which are the biggest base of TLV paxs, always consider flying with 1 stop vs. direct if the price is decently cheaper. Which leaves United with an option to lower the ORD prices in case they don't fill up, and get a decent chunk of NY paxs, a thing that would never happen with SFO, which is completely out of the route.

US doesnt do a very good job of that, but I think they only publish fares LGA-PHL-TLV
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Re: Is ORD-TLV Coming?
« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2012, 06:48:30 PM »
US doesnt do a very good job of that, but I think they only publish fares LGA-PHL-TLV
...hence the term "USeless Airways". ;)

Though IMHO, it would be different here, since UA already has more brand recognition in the TLV market. I know it sounds crazy, but I cannot tell you the staggering amount of people I've mentioned PHL-TLV to, and their reaction was "What?! US Airways flies to Israel?!" To the average narrow-minded Boro Parker, the TLV market consists of LY and UA, with DL being "the airline some people take when there's a sale". US doesn't even get mentioned.

So if UA does NYC-ORD-TLV, people will look at it as "United, but with a stop. Which is almost the same as United direct (as opposed to stopping in Europe)".

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