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Booking: "Airline's own site is usually best. It just simply won't work there most of the time, hence the need for OTAs. And some of the smaller OTAs have employees doing manual checks of their tickets, so gotta be cautious there, too." (Moishebatchy)

See, this is precisely why booking FD's is NOT for the unwashed masses!!!

Here, let me make this nice and clear for you: when booking a FD, you CANNOT call the airline for ANY reason. You cannot call to add an infant, you cannot call to order kosher meals, you cannot call to request seats, you cannot even call to check if your flight is running on time!!!! No human eye (belonging to an airline employee) can ever see your ticket, period. If it cannot be done online, then you cannot do it at all. The risk is too great. Capische?

Oh, and as far as changes/cancellations are concerned... YOU CANNOT CANCEL A FUEL DUMP TICKET. EVER. Even if it's cancel-able online, because online cancellations are often manually reviewed by human auditors. You spent $450 on a cheap ticket to Israel and now your work schedule changed? That's too bad, you're gonna have to eat the $450 loss and let your ticket go into the garbage. If you try to cancel, your greed in saving $450 can trigger the cancellation of tens of thousands of dollars of other people's fuel-dumped tickets. Think I'm exaggerating? I've seen it happen with my own eyes.

NOW do you people understand what I mean by the "dark side of FD"?!

And NOW do you see why we don't like when the newbie, "gimme a cheap ticket to Israel!!!!" crowd gets a hold of these?! Let me tell you, when someone from that crowd gets a hold of these fares and books his family of 10 people for $4,500 total, and then they have to cancel the trip for some reason, I GUARANTEE you he will not resist the temptation to cancel and get his $4,500 back. He WILL cancel to get his money back, and he WILL get the dump killed for many other people. And THAT is a big part of why veterans don't like it when newbies get their hands on this stuff.

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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #240 on: August 26, 2015, 02:03:13 PM »

If mesh couldn't do you think CM can!!

BTW AJK has yet to leave his 2 cents....
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #241 on: August 26, 2015, 02:05:03 PM »
Thanks for the warning on no humans allowed... does this mean at the airport as well? (Could I get boarding pass from a PERSON?  Could I change seat? Give luggage? Get kosher food? Thanks for helping the ignoramus

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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #242 on: August 26, 2015, 02:06:12 PM »
We all love JJ.

Nah, never met him there. I think it was some guy named Valentine...

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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #243 on: August 26, 2015, 02:07:01 PM »
If mesh couldn't do you think CM can!!

BTW AKJ has yet to leave his 2 cents....

AKJ?

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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #244 on: August 26, 2015, 02:09:03 PM »
This has to be one of the best threads ever.
Firstly GM CM! I was worried that you weren't participating in a controversial thread. Especially with AJ so active. Perhaps if he had some religious take you would have spoken up earlier...

See, this is precisely why booking FD's is NOT for the unwashed masses!!!
...
Oh, and as far as changes/cancellations are concerned... YOU CANNOT CANCEL A FUEL DUMP TICKET. EVER.
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I am no expert, and value MB's expertise. But if this is (as) true as you say why is it not mentioned when FD is casually slipped in to DDS, or in the blogs FD 101 posts? I read Scott MacKenzie entire guide last night, and he mentions none of this. And you can tell he is extremely knowledgeable in this area...
I would imagine that while your point is true (I.e don't book a fd as you would a glitch) it is not as absolute as you make it sound...

P. S. I'm looking to get educated here. Not arguing


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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #245 on: August 26, 2015, 02:10:40 PM »
Nah, never met him there.
I guess I been there to many times. Was it Chuck then?
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #246 on: August 26, 2015, 02:10:59 PM »
Thanks for the warning on no humans allowed... does this mean at the airport as well? (Could I get boarding pass from a PERSON?  Could I change seat? Give luggage? Get kosher food? Thanks for helping the ignoramus <img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji14.png" />

See, I'm already glad I posted that rant. 8)

Funny you should mention that... there's a big "machlokes haposkim" among the FD experts whether checking luggage is a risk, or if you have to only use the self-service kiosk to print your boarding pass to minimize human intervention. I think the accepted standard is to minimize interaction as much as possible - e.g. you can check bags, but try to do it at the busiest, most overloaded counter, so that the agent is too overwhelmed to study your reservation too closely. :P

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Re: Reduce USA -&gt; TLV flights by $415
« Reply #247 on: August 26, 2015, 02:13:31 PM »
See, I'm already glad I posted that rant. 8)

Funny you should mention that... there's a big "machlokes haposkim" among the FD experts whether checking luggage is a risk, or if you have to only use the self-service kiosk to print your boarding pass to minimize human intervention. I think the accepted standard is to minimize interaction as much as possible - e.g. you can check bags, but try to do it at the busiest, most overloaded counter, so that the agent is too overwhelmed to study your reservation too closely.
I really loved the rant I would not have known... Lol  sounds good and crazy

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Re: Reduce USA -&gt; TLV flights by $415
« Reply #248 on: August 26, 2015, 02:13:48 PM »
Firstly GM CM! I was worried that you weren't participating in a controversial thread. Especially with AJ so active. Perhaps if he had some religious take you would have spoken up earlier...
It is great to see how different individuals want to protect their own turf. When I do it somehow that makes me a bully.  :)
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #249 on: August 26, 2015, 02:14:56 PM »
Very warranted, actually. You were one phone call away from killing this for everyone.

Pretty sure every single member of DDF is always a phone call away from killing this deal and others. Clearly you can see I am asking the forum advice and hoping to learn from a vet on this topic and by no means have the intention for ruining the deal for anyone. You can get your points across by being informative and helpful as opposed to just ranting like an a$$ for hours now. It is the selfish insecure vets like yourself that breed disgrunted newbies from wanting to learn the rules as opposed to just burning down the house.

I suggest dialing it down a bit.

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Re: Reduce USA -&gt; TLV flights by $415
« Reply #250 on: August 26, 2015, 02:17:13 PM »
It is great to see how different individuals want to protect their own turf. When I do it somehow that makes me a bully.  :)
MB and FD vs CM and MS

That can be a js thread of its own

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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #251 on: August 26, 2015, 02:19:29 PM »
It is the selfish insecure vets like yourself that breed disgrunted newbies from wanting to learn the rules as opposed to just burning down the house.
Not that is really going to get the vets to help you.  ::)
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #252 on: August 26, 2015, 02:19:36 PM »
MB and FD vs CM and MS

That can be a js thread of its own
No,
MB wants less attention on FD.
HM wants more attention on CB.
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #253 on: August 26, 2015, 02:26:15 PM »
No,
MB wants less attention on FD.
HM wants more attention on CB.
HM? Do you mean CM??
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #254 on: August 26, 2015, 02:26:59 PM »
HM? Do you mean CM??
Probably cant pronounce the "Ch"
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #255 on: August 26, 2015, 02:29:11 PM »
HM? Do you mean CM??
Yes. Thanks for helping me with that.
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #256 on: August 26, 2015, 02:31:17 PM »
Yes. Thanks for helping me with that.
I thought you were talking about a former member who thought CB was all there was.
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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #257 on: August 26, 2015, 02:38:03 PM »
I thought you were talking about a former member who thought CB was all there was.

CV?

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Re: Reduce USA -> TLV flights by $415
« Reply #258 on: August 26, 2015, 02:42:30 PM »
Pretty sure every single member of DDF is always a phone call away from killing this deal and others.
YOU were the only one here that even considered doing such a reckless thing -
So I guess since we are on the topic....When booking FD with a provider who does not calculate lap child fares and request me to call the airline direct after booking to price it out. Would calling airline to do this put the deal at risk? and if so, where can this be booked to include a lap child.



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You can get your points across by being informative and helpful as opposed to just ranting like an a$$ for hours now.

And if he would have just answered "Don't call", you would have listened. Right?

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It is the selfish insecure vets like yourself that breed disgrunted newbies from wanting to learn the rules as opposed to just burning down the house.
You consider someone taking his time explaining to people the dangers of openly discussing FD's because it will kill it for EVERYONE, being selfish?

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Re: Reduce USA -&gt; TLV flights by $415
« Reply #259 on: August 26, 2015, 02:46:27 PM »
YOU were the only one here that even considered doing such a reckless thing -

 
And if he would have just answered "Don't call", you would have listened. Right?
Usually the point of asking a question of someone who knows better that you is to get an answer.
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