Author Topic: Source of Shlissel Challah? (Read 13851 times)

thaber · « **Reply #20 on:** April 23, 2017, 12:44:39 AM »

Quote from: good sam on April 23, 2017, 12:35:02 AM

There's definitely a thread for this.

find and merge?

Quote from: Yammer on April 23, 2017, 12:35:56 AM

tiruzim for an existing minhag are not sources.

good sam · « **Reply #21 on:** April 23, 2017, 12:54:15 AM »

Quote from: thaber on April 23, 2017, 12:44:39 AM

find and merge?

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PSA -- Don't forget your SLISSEL CHALAH (segulah for parnassha!)

thaber · « **Reply #22 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:03:00 AM »

my excerpt was borrowed from that article. may be easier to just post this link, there were some dubious ideas in there which is why I didn't originally http://www.mesora.org/Shlissel.html

Moshe123 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:16:54 AM »

The Alim Litrufah this week had an earlier mekor than the Apte Rov.

Freddie · « **Reply #24 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:18:22 AM »

Here's what I'm thinking... we did the shlissel challah this shabbos because the kids wanted to. To us it's just fun, no deep significance. But we don't really take ANY segulos seriously. In Chabad, segulos (especially food segulos) are in general not taken very seriously. I'm wondering if it's the people who take segulos seriously that care so deeply whether or not the shlissel chalah is a real thing.

m.m. · « **Reply #25 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:18:48 AM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on April 23, 2017, 01:16:54 AM

The Alim Litrufah this week had an earlier mekor than the Apte Rov.

i realize you dont have it by you, but if you remember who it was...

aygart · « **Reply #26 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:35:17 AM »

Quote from: Freddie on April 23, 2017, 01:18:22 AM

Here's what I'm thinking... we did the shlissel challah this shabbos because the kids wanted to. To us it's just fun, no deep significance. But we don't really take ANY segulos seriously. In Chabad, segulos (especially food segulos) are in general not taken very seriously. I'm wondering if it's the people who take segulos seriously that care so deeply whether or not the shlissel chalah is a real thing.

Segulos have become a big thing since they started being used as a marketing tool.

Moshe123 · « **Reply #27 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:37:16 AM »

Quote from: m.m. on April 23, 2017, 01:18:48 AM

i realize you dont have it by you, but if you remember who it was...

I don't

thaber · « **Reply #28 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:54:55 AM »

Quote from: Freddie on April 23, 2017, 01:18:22 AM

Here's what I'm thinking... we did the shlissel challah this shabbos because the kids wanted to. To us it's just fun, no deep significance. But we don't really take ANY segulos seriously. In Chabad, segulos (especially food segulos) are in general not taken very seriously. I'm wondering if it's the people who take segulos seriously that care so deeply whether or not the shlissel chalah is a real thing.

nah, we did it too. this is academic. Also, the Maharal story was made up freshly this year

Yammer · « **Reply #29 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:58:06 AM »

Quote from: thaber on April 23, 2017, 12:44:39 AM

tiruzim for an existing minhag are not sources.

Pretty strong language from the Apter Ruv.

For me that's enough.

Moshe123 · « **Reply #30 on:** April 23, 2017, 01:58:10 AM »

Quote from: thaber on April 23, 2017, 01:54:55 AM

nah, we did it too. this is academic. Also, the Maharal story was made up freshly this year

Not really. I saw it somewhere this week quoting some Bobover sefer.

thaber · « **Reply #31 on:** April 23, 2017, 02:03:40 AM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on April 23, 2017, 01:58:10 AM

Not really. I saw it somewhere this week quoting some Bobover sefer.

I stand corrected. I found it online with a chassidishe rebbe in 2007. but definitely gained popularity this round

yelped · « **Reply #32 on:** April 23, 2017, 07:11:25 AM »

Quote from: thaber on April 23, 2017, 02:03:40 AM

I stand corrected. I found it online with a chassidishe rebbe in 2007. but definitely gained popularity this round

I remember reading that story about 15 years ago..

AsherO · « **Reply #33 on:** April 23, 2017, 08:31:05 AM »

Quote from: Moshe123 on April 23, 2017, 01:16:54 AM

The Alim Litrufah this week had an earlier mekor than the Apte Rov.

Haven't seen the source, but apparently someone mentions this in the name of R' Pinchas of Koritz.

ohiojeans · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2022, 11:18:41 AM »

http://torasaba.blogspot.com/2015/04/non-biased-opinion-on-shlisel-chalah.html

AsherO · « **Reply #35 on:** April 28, 2022, 11:53:31 AM »

Quote from: ohiojeans on April 28, 2022, 11:18:41 AM

http://torasaba.blogspot.com/2015/04/non-biased-opinion-on-shlisel-chalah.html

~~NON Biased~~ Opinion On The Shlisel Chalah

ushdadude · « **Reply #36 on:** May 03, 2022, 01:40:40 PM »

Quote from: aygart on April 23, 2017, 01:35:17 AM

Segulos have become a big thing since they started being used as a marketing tool.

and spread through whatsapp statuses.

yos9694 · « **Reply #37 on:** May 03, 2022, 02:46:13 PM »

Quote from: ushdadude on May 03, 2022, 01:40:40 PM

and spread through whatsapp statuses.

Like selling pesicha for neilah? Or geshem? Selling segulos is older than most segulos.

The easter bread to shlissel connection is nonsense, no similarity other than the coincidental timing. I also decorate my shul on shavuos with plants and flowers. We carry lit candles down the aisle to the chuppa. Boys grow out their hair until they turn 3.

Come on. Huge swaths of klal yisroel have minhagim that they don't knw the reason for. Cynics go and find a connection to paganism in order to mock the minhag. Nonsense on both sides- let's not pretend that we know the source of every minhag, but let the cynics not convince you that THEY know the source either

ushdadude · « **Reply #38 on:** May 03, 2022, 03:03:10 PM »

Quote from: yos9694 on May 03, 2022, 02:46:13 PM

Like selling pesicha for neilah? Or geshem? Selling segulos is older than most segulos.

The easter bread to shlissel connection is nonsense, no similarity other than the coincidental timing. I also decorate my shul on shavuos with plants and flowers. We carry lit candles down the aisle to the chuppa. Boys grow out their hair until they turn 3.

Come on. Huge swaths of klal yisroel have minhagim that they don't knw the reason for. Cynics go and find a connection to paganism in order to mock the minhag. Nonsense on both sides- let's not pretend that we know the source of every minhag, but let the cynics not convince you that THEY know the source either

I'm not anti-segula. I'm anti making the suglas the ikur. People sometimes forget that the main point of a segula is to remind us that Hashem is charge and that we should daven to Him. It's not some sort of shortcut that tricks God into giving us free stuff. Don't abandon the ikur and rely solely on the taful

Philosophypsych · « **Reply #39 on:** May 03, 2022, 03:46:55 PM »

Quote from: yos9694 on May 03, 2022, 02:46:13 PM

Like selling pesicha for neilah? Or geshem? Selling segulos is older than most segulos.

The easter bread to shlissel connection is nonsense, no similarity other than the coincidental timing. I also decorate my shul on shavuos with plants and flowers. We carry lit candles down the aisle to the chuppa. Boys grow out their hair until they turn 3.

Come on. Huge swaths of klal yisroel have minhagim that they don't knw the reason for. Cynics go and find a connection to paganism in order to mock the minhag. Nonsense on both sides- let's not pretend that we know the source of every minhag, but let the cynics not convince you that THEY know the source either

Yeah kind of getting out of hand these days... We're becoming a rediculously superstitious group of people, quite alarming to watch how this " R' yeshayala of kerestir " phenomenon is exploding.. he's apparently the new version of R' shimon bar yochai or wtvr.. thousands of people flying across the world to his kever, full page ads if him wherever you go.. not sure if it's just simple minded people or it's some money making scheme by some marketing group.. but it's very disturbing on many levels.