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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #60 on: May 05, 2022, 05:42:42 PM »
I stand corrected, it was right after entering Eretz Yisroel, before dividing it (although your surprise seems a bit much)
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I assumed you just didn't pay attention, the 40 years they ate the Mon was the 40 years in the Midbar.

וּבְנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל אָֽכְל֤וּ אֶת־הַמָּן֙ אַרְבָּעִ֣ים שָׁנָ֔ה עַד־בֹּאָ֖ם אֶל־אֶ֣רֶץ נוֹשָׁ֑בֶת אֶת־הַמָּן֙ אָֽכְל֔וּ עַד־בֹּאָ֕ם אֶל־קְצֵ֖ה אֶ֥רֶץ כְּנָֽעַן׃

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #61 on: May 05, 2022, 08:09:38 PM »
Clearly sourced as an ancient Minhag. The holy Apter Rav calls it מנהג ישראל תורה and bothers to give a few reasons for it. We don't need a better source than this.





I think the issue the rationalists will have with this is that he (and all the other seforim that deal with this) are reverse engineering.
there are segulas in the gemara, its part of the religion and it's lechoira a form of tefilla. But, it is important that they come from a holy source.

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #62 on: May 05, 2022, 08:42:52 PM »
I think the issue the rationalists will have with this is that he (and all the other seforim that deal with this) are reverse engineering.
there are segulas in the gemara, its part of the religion and it's lechoira a form of tefilla. But, it is important that they come from a holy source.
for many of us, the holy Apter R' is enough of a source.
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if it was a bunch of misguided bunk adopted from easter, he wouldn't be defending it

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #63 on: May 05, 2022, 08:44:46 PM »
for many of us, the holy Apter R' is enough of a source.
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if it was a bunch of misguided bunk adopted from easter, he wouldn't be defending it
He wasn't called the ohev yisroel for nothing.
But he's not a source, he's defending a minhag. There's a big difference there.

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #64 on: May 05, 2022, 09:40:46 PM »
He wasn't called the ohev yisroel for nothing.
But he's not a source, he's defending a minhag. There's a big difference there.
Ok most of us considering the Holy Apter rov the best source are sure that if this minhag would in reality stem from Easter he'd sense that b'Ruach kodshoi, especially when attributing holy reasons for it.

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #65 on: May 05, 2022, 11:55:05 PM »
He didn't make up the golem, he made up the stories, do your research it's a fascinating subject.
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The author clearly wrote it was a work of fiction.
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2023, 04:05:24 PM »
Baking shlissel challah was no easy task squeezing in on this Friday busy with packing the pesach away, otherwise just buying ready challah would be much easier.

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2023, 04:37:22 PM »
Wrap the key in foil?
Can't imagine doing it any other way
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2023, 04:42:44 PM »
Can't imagine doing it any other way
So then what's the whole article for?
Just say wrap up the key.
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2023, 04:51:34 PM »
So then what's the whole article for?
Just say wrap up the key.
This is your first time reading Jewish media?
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #72 on: April 15, 2023, 07:39:01 PM »
Wrap the key in foil?
Or for the health conscious, baking / parchment paper.
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #73 on: April 15, 2023, 11:22:46 PM »
So then what's the whole article for?
Just say wrap up the key.
I wrapped it in silver foil but then at the meal my kids wanted it....

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #74 on: April 15, 2023, 11:46:03 PM »
Making a fuss of nothing IMO. We take a new key, sterilize it and that's all. 

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #75 on: April 16, 2023, 12:39:17 AM »
I didn't read much into this thread, eliyahu ki tov writes, (I'm parapahsing) that the minhag is to have a key shaped challa with seaseme seeds on top. The seeds are to remind us of the mana and the they key is to remind us that hashem has the key to our sustenance.

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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #76 on: April 16, 2023, 02:05:59 AM »
I didn't read much into this thread, eliyahu ki tov writes, (I'm parapahsing) that the minhag is to have a key shaped challa with seaseme seeds on top. The seeds are to remind us of the mana and the they key is to remind us that hashem has the key to our sustenance.
This is the way my m.i.l. does it. My mother did the key - and she has no minhagim (baalas teshuva), so she must have gotten it from one of her teachers.
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Re: Source of Shlissel Challah?
« Reply #77 on: April 16, 2023, 02:08:36 AM »
can you shape it into the shape of a computer key, i.e. square?

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Re: Is this a true fact about the schlissle (key) challah?
« Reply #78 on: April 16, 2023, 02:10:29 AM »
He didn't make up the golem, he made up the stories, do your research it's a fascinating subject.
There's a whole chapter in Rabbi Zevi Trenk's book on this.
https://adirpress.com/product/magic-mysteries-and-mysticism/
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