Is the Gazan civilian population responsibility for Hamas actions?

[justaregularguy]

IMHO they had no idea how big this was going to be. Now if they ask for money or anything they will be a walking dead person.

oh cmon they didn’t know how big this would be? It’s not like they break into Israel every Monday and Thursday.

[AsherO]

IMHO they had no idea how big this was going to be. Now if they ask for money or anything they will be a walking dead person.

I guess that’s theoretically possible, though they still kidnapped someone (albeit for ransom) and brought them to a terrorist controlled area. That doesn’t make them an accomplice to a terror kidnapping. Is saying they didn’t know what would happen absolve them?

[imayid2]

Cross posting

phenomenal article
https://volodzko.substack.com/p/the-problem-is-palestinian-culture

[imayid2]

https://claritywithmichaeloren.substack.com/p/why-the-body-cams

[WayBackMachine]

if you call me a republican I call them Hamas

[daybyday]

The premise of this discussion is wrong to start with. חז״ל already told us: כל המרחם על אכזרים סופו שמתאכזר על רחמנים. "He who is merciful to the cruel will end up being cruel to the merciful"
It's a nation of people who put the goal of slaughtering Jews at the top of their list. Jews need not worry about civilians being innocent or not when they are fighting to protect themselves from people who have the goal of killing them.

[imayid2]

The premise of this discussion is wrong to start with. חז״ל already told us: כל המרחם על אכזרים סופו שמתאכזר על רחמנים. "He who is merciful to the cruel will end up being cruel to the merciful"
It's a nation of people who put the goal of slaughtering Jews at the top of their list. Jews need not worry about civilians being innocent or not when they are fighting to protect themselves from people who have the goal of killing them.

Are there innocents in there who aren’t cruel? If so how is כל המרחם applicable to them?

[daybyday]

Are there innocents in there who aren’t cruel? If so how is כל המרחם applicable to them?

Oh wow, good point!!
Also maybe the ones who are armed really don't want to shoot at Jews, so we should not shoot at them, and even more so those who have shot at Jews maybe won't want to shoot and slaughter Jews in the future cus maybe maybe deep down they are total רחמנים. So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.

[aygart]

Oh wow, good point!!
Also maybe the ones who are armed really don't want to shoot at Jews, so we should not shoot at them, and even more so those who have shot at Jews maybe won't want to shoot and slaughter Jews in the future cus maybe maybe deep down they are total רחמנים. So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.

Huh?

[imayid2]

So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.

Which חז״ל?

[AsherO]

Which חז״ל?

I don’t agree with him, but obviously the חז״ל he posted a few posts up, כל המרחם וכו׳

[AsherO]

Oh wow, good point!!
Also maybe the ones who are armed really don't want to shoot at Jews, so we should not shoot at them, and even more so those who have shot at Jews maybe won't want to shoot and slaughter Jews in the future cus maybe maybe deep down they are total רחמנים. So truth be told חז״ל must have just been wrong and didn't get to this deep level of humanity.

The more obvious solution is that you either misunderstood חז״ל or you’re applying their guidance incorrectly.

[imayid2]

I don’t agree with him, but obviously the חז״ל he posted a few posts up, כל המרחם וכו׳

Just confused how that would apply to those that aren’t cruel, if they exist.

[imayid2]

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-untold-stories-of-gazans

[Euclid]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1720545823237267817.html

https://twitter.com/mfg/status/1720545823237267817
Thread

(No idea if it's real...)

[imayid2]

https://open.substack.com/pub/futureofjewish/p/are-innocent-palestinians-really

[Savingsbeast]

These two videos below show that there is some opposition to Hamas in Gaza.

Also, to those pointing to polls as proof that Gazans support Hamas with a strong majority, I think it is worth keeping in mind that these are Palestinian polls and figures. I would trust the numbers as much as I trust the "Palestinian Health Ministry".


This video has a merely 1,194 views. Let's spread it. this should get thousands, if not millions of views.

[justaregularguy]

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=134532.msg2766098#msg2766098

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1722274007347859795

[sam2015]

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=134532.msg2766098#msg2766098

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1722274007347859795

Time for a new poll?

[EliJelly]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CyNSuDxUV2LvLx37ge6YfT6XYKuDiHqK/view