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BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« on: February 07, 2019, 02:00:49 AM »
Lufthansa SKML are no more KOSHER

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היות וקייטרינג "זוהר" המספק מנות לחברת התעופה לופטאנזה, עובר למטבח חדש המשותף עם מטבחים נוספים, הנתונים לשליטת גורמים שונים אשר אינם עומדים ברמת הכשרות הדרושה, ואינני יכול ומסוגל לקחת אחריות על מצב זה.
על כן החלטתי להסיר מהיום והלאה את האחריות מכשרות הקייטרינג.

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2019, 02:06:13 AM »
Any official link or letter?
Is there an alternate hechsher on them?
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2019, 02:43:46 AM »
Switching Kashrus would be the correct term. It’s now under the chief rabbi of Frankfurt
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2019, 03:08:53 AM »
Switching Kashrus would be the correct term. It’s now under the chief rabbi of Frankfurt
Acceptable hechsher?
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2019, 03:53:59 AM »
Acceptable hechsher?
Supposedly not
This a copy of what's going around
Spoke to Raw heblin. He is not giving Hechsher anymore as of tomorrow. Told me level of kashruth is going down in new location and he would compare it to rabanut. I asked him if he would eat it and he said no. New hashgoche will be rabbi apel of Frankfurt. Don't know who he is

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2019, 04:36:45 AM »
Acceptable hechsher?
There appears to be no evidence to the contrary except for the previous hechsher
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2019, 05:34:47 AM »
There appears to be no evidence to the contrary except for the previous hechsher

You need evidence a hashgacha is good, or evidence that it's not?

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2019, 06:16:05 AM »
You need evidence a hashgacha is good, or evidence that it's not?
What evidence did you have that the prior hashgacha was good?
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2019, 08:02:34 AM »
What evidence did you have that the prior hashgacha was good?

His willingness to remove it from a decent sized client when he felt that he would be unable to ensure that it met his standards.
There appears to be no evidence to the contrary except for the previous hechsher
Other than that they were ready to take over an operation being dropped due to the inability to keep to standards.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2019, 08:06:42 AM »
His willingness to remove it from a decent sized client when he felt that he would be unable to ensure that it met his standards.Other than that they were ready to take over an operation being dropped due to the inability to keep to standards.
There is something called politics. It's not always about kosher or not.

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2019, 08:11:25 AM »
There is something called politics. It's not always about kosher or not.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2019, 08:11:41 AM »
There is something called politics. It's not always about kosher or not.
Of course. It is not conclusive in and of itself but is a good starting point. (besides that politics is not so terrible if someone compromises in order to keep a client. Kashrus is.) I would not have eaten either one without doing my own due diligence as I have done for every KSML that has been applicable for myself or my children. As it happens, i have never done on this specific one.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2019, 09:08:33 AM »
His willingness to remove it from a decent sized client when he felt that he would be unable to ensure that it met his standards.Other than that they were ready to take over an operation being dropped due to the inability to keep to standards.
Or his attempt to defame a client that dropped him
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 10:17:19 AM »
http://www.bhol.co.il/news/204288
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2019, 10:17:40 AM »
Or his attempt to defame a client that dropped him
How do you know who dropped who?

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2019, 10:25:49 AM »
Or his attempt to defame a client that dropped him
Of course. It is not conclusive in and of itself but is a good starting point. (besides that politics is not so terrible if someone compromises in order to keep a client. Kashrus is.) I would not have eaten either one without doing my own due diligence as I have done for every KSML that has been applicable for myself or my children. As it happens, i have never done on this specific one.
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2019, 10:40:54 AM »
Lufthansa SKML are no more KOSHER

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היות וקייטרינג "זוהר" המספק מנות לחברת התעופה לופטאנזה, עובר למטבח חדש המשותף עם מטבחים נוספים, הנתונים לשליטת גורמים שונים אשר אינם עומדים ברמת הכשרות הדרושה, ואינני יכול ומסוגל לקחת אחריות על מצב זה.
על כן החלטתי להסיר מהיום והלאה את האחריות מכשרות הקייטרינג.

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How do you know who dropped who?

Sohar dropped Havlin. The story has been ongoing for a couple of weeks.

I personally know Havlin (used to be a regular at my Shabbos table when he was in 770), and Mrs. Sohar once stayed at my house when she came as a guest of one of the FRA Shluchim for the shluchos convention.

If I really cared (a-la @aygart’s approach above) I would look deeper into this, just like I just did for the KSML served by IB ex-MAD (deemed unacceptable). 

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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2019, 10:43:37 AM »
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Sohar dropped Havlin. The story has been ongoing for a couple of weeks.

I personally know Havlin (used to be a regular at my Shabbos table when he was in 770), and Mrs. Sohar once stayed at my house when she came as a guest of one of the FRA Shluchim for the shluchos convention.

If I really cared (a-la @aygart’s approach above) I would look deeper into this, just like I just did for the KSML served by IB ex-MAD (deemed unacceptable).
Why don't you do the rest of us who do care a favor and get some more information if you can?
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Re: BEWARE: Lufthansa "Kosher" from FRA loses kashrus.
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2019, 10:45:33 AM »
Why don't you do the rest of us who do care a favor and get some more information if you can?
I will post info as I get it, but not going to drop regular programming to thoroughly research this (conversation at the Mikva this morning doesn’t count).
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