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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #560 on: August 23, 2021, 12:52:58 PM »
I assumed @avromie7 was compiling a list of people that didn't know. Figured I'd add some first hand knowledge to the list  ;) because it clearly had nothing to do with my question.
I was saying the US clearly didn't make sure all their allies were informed about what's going on. Therefore I have little confidence that the UK was properly informed either.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #561 on: August 23, 2021, 01:29:39 PM »
Opening paragraph:

Terms of Doha agreement https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

C'mon man, it's a 3 part agreement and he acts as if the 2nd part doesn't even exist. Very good odds the author never read it...

Pence's WSJ article rips it all apart. Ridiculous.
Not sure what you think you're proving. That line is referring to US/coalition forces, not Afghani forces. In fact there was a surge of Taliban attacks on Afghani forces in the months following Doha, still during Trump's term. So either the deal included attacks on Afghanistan and the Trump admin allowed the agreement to be a joke by not responding, or it never included such attacks and it was a strange deal to start with.

I didn't read through the whole article, but from the headline, I imagine I strongly disagree. Both because it's a lot easier to follow through after Trump made the 'commitment', and because none of that excuses the way it was executed. But we might as well get the facts straight.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #562 on: August 23, 2021, 02:51:50 PM »
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/afghan-staff-u-s-embassy-losing-faith-evacuation-efforts-diplomatic-n1277397

Exclusive: “It would be better to die under the Taliban’s bullet,” said one local staff member quoted in the cable.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #563 on: August 23, 2021, 04:37:41 PM »
No. Ending the war in this way is something any idiot could have done, and is not worthy of respect.

If he would have ended the war without unconditionally surrendering to the Taliban, burning our allies (Afghan and others) and leaving the country worse than it was 20 years ago, that would be worthy of respect.
Unconditional surrender was the agreement the last admin made. He did what others could not. Not even your hero.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #564 on: August 23, 2021, 04:39:30 PM »
The premise of the question is that he is ending the war in Afghanistan. Can you back that up?
This war is over. The fat lady already sang. Can it start up again, yes.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #565 on: August 23, 2021, 04:49:36 PM »
...because it clearly had nothing to do with my question.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #566 on: August 23, 2021, 05:23:20 PM »
https://matzav.com/afghan-baby-girl-born-on-us-military-plane-in-germany/
Afghan Baby Girl Born On US Military Plane In Germany

will she get free flights for life on us airforce jets?

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #567 on: August 23, 2021, 05:25:53 PM »
https://matzav.com/afghan-baby-girl-born-on-us-military-plane-in-germany/
Afghan Baby Girl Born On US Military Plane In Germany

will she get free flights for life on us airforce jets?
Is she an American citizen now?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #568 on: August 23, 2021, 05:32:22 PM »
Is she an American citizen now?
Military facilities don’t count for US jus soli. Should be German and perhaps Afghan but stateless is also a possibility
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #569 on: August 23, 2021, 05:55:03 PM »
How many Americans are still in there? Seems no one knows this number, why not?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #570 on: August 23, 2021, 06:06:42 PM »
How many Americans are still in there? Seems no one knows this number, why not?
Because the current administration didn't have a proper plan in place, what part of this are you missing?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #571 on: August 23, 2021, 06:11:54 PM »
Because the current administration didn't have a proper plan in place, what part of this are you missing?
I don't think it is that simple. Do we know how many were there when this admin took office?
If I travel there is there a way for me to be counted?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #572 on: August 23, 2021, 06:36:39 PM »
How many Americans are still in there? Seems no one knows this number, why not?

Biden won’t answer...




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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #573 on: August 23, 2021, 06:37:57 PM »
I don't think it is that simple. Do we know how many were there when this admin took office?
If I travel there is there a way for me to be counted?
Sure. Most Americans traveling to countries that are high risk register with the State Department.

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #574 on: August 23, 2021, 06:40:08 PM »
WH keeps up the lies.






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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #575 on: August 23, 2021, 06:50:25 PM »
WH keeps up the lies.
Depends what your definition of stranded is instead of what is is.  :)
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #576 on: August 23, 2021, 06:52:15 PM »
Sure. Most Americans traveling to countries that are high risk register with the State Department.
I think it would be a good guess not many have traveled there in the last few months so how many were there when this admin took office? Should give us a pretty good idea, no?
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #577 on: August 23, 2021, 07:47:36 PM »
I think it would be a good guess not many have traveled there in the last few months so how many were there when this admin took office? Should give us a pretty good idea, no?
some traveled there and you can also have Afghans who are American citizens and delayed getting out in time

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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #578 on: August 23, 2021, 07:51:04 PM »
some traveled there and you can also have Afghans who are American citizens and delayed getting out in time
I can see why this admin would not want to say. The last admin should be all over this saying xx Americans are stuck there and can't get out.
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Re: Afghanistan Falls To The Taliban After US Withdrawal
« Reply #579 on: August 23, 2021, 09:45:12 PM »