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-The Lufthansa Premier Miles & More World MasterCard
You can enroll in the Miles & More program here.

US to Israel: For departures from the USA nonstop to Tel Aviv: 80K coach, 135K business. For departures from the USA to Tel Aviv via Europe: 100K coach, 185K business, 290K first. For departures from Israel to the USA nonstop or via Europe for Miles & More accounts with an Israeli address on file: 60K coach, 105K business, 170K first.

The card has no foreign exchange fees.
Lufthansa miles have a few sweet uses:

3 one-way domestic first class flights on United:
You can fly on Star Alliance partner United in domestic first class for just 17,000 miles each way with no fuel surcharges.  All United flights between JFK and Los Angeles or S. Francisco and several flights from Newark have lie-flat seats in business class.  Plus you can still order hot kosher meals between JFK and Los Angeles or S. Francisco in business class.  United charges 25,000 of their own miles each way for these seats, so you’ll save 8,000 miles each way via Lufthansa. Within 24 hours Lufthansa does allow free cancellations even on United medal.

Remember to book one-way flights as a round-trip business class is 35,000 but they charge half the price and round down for one-way so it’s only 17,000 each way.

4 one-way coach tickets:
A one-way coach ticket within the US on United will run 12,000 miles.

Business class to Europe:

Business class to Europe is 52,000 miles each way and there are no fuel surcharges on Lot Polish which flies 787s with an excellent lie-flat business class to Warsaw. (Note that United.com can’t search for LOT Polish flights if you use that to search for Star Alliance awards).
Availability is excellent.

Hawaii:

Business class to Hawaii (including lie-flat seats on flights from Houston and Newark) is just 35,000 miles each way when booked with Lufthansa miles flying on United with no fuel surcharges.  That’s a 10,000 mile savings on a round-trip flight compared to using United miles.
Coach is 20K miles each way, a 5,000 mile savings on a round-trip flight compared to using United miles.

Israel based account:
If your Lufthansa account is registered with an Israeli address then you can book tickets from Israel using the much cheaper Europe award rates.  A flight from Israel to the US will be prices like a flight from Europe to the US. (now must call to get this rate)

Other uses:
Lufthansa First Class has significantly better availability when booked with Miles & More as opposed to programs like United.
There is also much better availability on other airlines like Singapore’s top-notch business class when booked via Miles & More as opposed to programs like United.
Barclays cards can be churned, so you can always start saving up for a dream trip.

Mileage Expiration
Miles expire after 36 months, regardless of activity. If you have a Miles & More credit card and use it monthly, then your miles will not expire.
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #520 on: October 03, 2019, 01:08:23 PM »
DP: I called the American call center to book 2 divorced segments, in the beginning the agent didn't see the flights but when she put in the segments separately she was able to book it as one award.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #521 on: October 03, 2019, 01:16:22 PM »
DP: I called the American call center to book 2 divorced segments, in the beginning the agent didn't see the flights but when she put in the segments separately she was able to book it as one award.
Nice, I guess AA didn't figure out how to restrict divorces as of today.
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #522 on: October 03, 2019, 01:27:51 PM »
Nice, I guess AA didn't figure out how to restrict divorces as of today.
This is for M&M, I called the M&M american call center, nothing to do with AA.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #523 on: October 03, 2019, 01:37:36 PM »
i was told they sometimes have availability online and dont have on the phone then they can flip flop for the same flight. any news on when they are going to dynamic pricing?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #524 on: October 30, 2019, 12:04:34 AM »
Any way to extend expiration on miles?
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #525 on: December 19, 2019, 05:40:40 PM »
Any way to extend expiration on miles?
My miles show that they are expiring in just few days on 12/31 even though I have the Barclay's M&M card...?
Dan wrote in this post that "If you have a Miles & More credit card and use it monthly, then your miles will not expire". Does that mean that I need to have used it every month? or any purchase should have extended the miles?

« Last Edit: December 19, 2019, 05:45:48 PM by Thingywingy »
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #526 on: December 19, 2019, 05:41:31 PM »
Every month.
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #527 on: December 19, 2019, 05:46:05 PM »
Every month.
Is there anything I can do at this point?
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #528 on: December 19, 2019, 07:56:25 PM »
What happens if I book flight for far out and then cancel it after the expected expiration date?
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #529 on: December 23, 2019, 07:29:17 AM »
How much are 60000 points worth?
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #530 on: December 23, 2019, 07:35:43 AM »
How much are 60000 points worth?
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #531 on: December 23, 2019, 03:04:57 PM »
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #532 on: December 23, 2019, 11:50:27 PM »
Always praying for delayed baggage.

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #533 on: February 15, 2020, 03:08:10 PM »
Best way to off load around 12,000 Lufthansa Miles ( besides for US domestic flight) ?
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #534 on: March 03, 2020, 09:18:53 AM »
devaluation?

Goodbye Fly Smart. Hello improved Early Bird award
Early Bird is now bookable at least 30 days before departure on continental routes
Learn more
   
Dear ****
 
There must be places you’ve yet to see on your travel wish list. Thanks to our great award flight deals, we can take you to a multitude of destinations from as little as 17,000 miles. Even though we’ll no longer be offering Fly Smart flight awards with Austrian Airlines, Lufthansa and SWISS after June 2020, we’ll happily carry on sending you off on your travels at short notice: you can now book Early Bird flight awards for destinations within Europe at least 30 days instead of 90 days before you travel.1 And there’s more to discover with Early Bird on intercontinental flights too: with 16 additional services, such as from Munich to Miami and back for 40,000 award miles instead of 60,000 award miles, we are expanding our network to 122 routes.
 
We wish you a good flight and an exciting trip.

https://www.miles-and-more.com/row/en/program/flight-benefits/fly-and-save.html?cid=DM60093&bid=147688514

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #535 on: June 08, 2020, 10:28:00 PM »
I had 50k expire because I was under the impression that my Barclays Lufthansa credit card prevents expiration. I messaged M&M a few times and included the attached screenshot which says that there is no expiration with the card. I later learned that it only prevents expiration if used regularly. They are not being flexible about reinstating my miles. Any suggestion? Is there a way to file a complaint with the DoT? or BBB?
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #536 on: June 12, 2020, 06:19:46 PM »
I had 50k expire because I was under the impression that my Barclays Lufthansa credit card prevents expiration. I messaged M&M a few times and included the attached screenshot which says that there is no expiration with the card. I later learned that it only prevents expiration if used regularly. They are not being flexible about reinstating my miles. Any suggestion? Is there a way to file a complaint with the DoT? or BBB?
Miles & More finally credited my account. I don't know if it was a result of my continued emails or getting BBB involved. Either way, it is worth knowing that it can be done.
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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #537 on: November 12, 2020, 01:15:14 PM »
if i don't have a card with MM how can i make sure the miles will not expire ?

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #538 on: November 13, 2020, 01:28:19 PM »
if i don't have a card with MM how can i make sure the miles will not expire ?
you can't

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Re: Miles and more
« Reply #539 on: November 14, 2020, 09:20:25 PM »
you can't

so i guess i have to book ticket with them wow .

any luck by getting back points that expired with them ?