Link to popcorn threads.

[aygart]

nothing insurmountable

[ADG]

prediction
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=55084.585

[Work-for-ur-muny]

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=55178.0

[grodnoking]

Wait. Cholov stam?! This happens every time! Is there one thread in this place that stays on topic?!
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=24137.0

[Freddie]

Wait. Cholov stam?! This happens every time! Is there one thread in this place that stays on topic?!
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=24137.0

Did you follow the thread? Did you understand how cholov akum was germane to the discussion?

[grodnoking]

Did you follow the thread? Did you understand how cholov akum was germane to the discussion?

Nope. Decided it wasnt worth it

[Freddie]

Nope. Decided it wasnt worth it

Then don't imply that the cholov akum reference wasn't on topic.

[Aj3042]

Did you follow the thread? Did you understand how cholov akum was germane to the discussion?

Honestly I don't think anybody followed you on that but ok.

[Achas Veachas]

Honestly I don't think anybody followed you on that but ok.

Wasn't very clear in the beginning but he clarified where he was going with that.

[Aj3042]

Wasn't very clear in the beginning but he clarified where he was going with that.

Ya that's like saying that all his Lubavitcher views are discredited because he does (XYZ-nsert Lubavitcher minhag here) that others disagree with. I didn't even bother responding there because eveybody knows Rav Moshe's tshuva and people seem to know his rants like about this (and beards-next he'll tell everyone without a beard that they're opinions are all because they shave blah blah). So ignoring is the best idea.

[Yehuda57]

Ya that's like saying that all his Lubavitcher views are discredited because he does (XYZ-nsert Lubavitcher minhag here) that others disagree with. I didn't even bother responding there because eveybody knows Rav Moshe's tshuva and people seem to know his rants like about this (and beards-next he'll tell everyone without a beard that they're opinions are all because they shave blah blah). So ignoring is the best idea.

You clearly didn't read his explanation. Or, as usual, you are having reading comprehension issues. Sun goes up, sun goes down...

[Aj3042]

You clearly didn't read his explanation. Or, as usual, you are having reading comprehension issues. Sun goes up, sun goes down...

Um yes, I actually did. And if you think that his explanation on why someone who follows the opinion of a great person like Rav Moshe on a psak accepted by most of the frum Jews of the country is a satisfactory reason to discredit his opinions in general then you need to get you're head checked ASAP.
But I don't argue about it here because over there people put him in his place.
It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

[Yehuda57]

Um yes, I actually did. And if you think that his explanation on why someone who follows the opinion of a great person like Rav Moshe on a psak accepted by most of the frum Jews of the country is a satisfactory reason to discredit his opinions in general then you need to get you're head checked ASAP.
But I don't argue about it here because over there people put him in his place.
It would be funny if it wouldn't be so sad.

Again, with this response you show you DID NOT READ HIS EXPLANATION in that thread. It has nothing to do with credibility, and everything to do with trusting government regulatory procedures.

Please, just stop.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Again, with this response you show you DID NOT READ HIS EXPLANATION in that thread. It has nothing to do with credibility, and everything to do with trusting government regulatory procedures.

Please, just stop.

Can someone clarify it so a 5th grader would understand?

Would it be when it is to ones benefit they trust government regulations but when it is not to their benefit they don't trust government regulations?

[Dan]

Except in this case they're relying on govt regulations that don't even exist.

But yes, for everything aside from religious purposes they have no faith in govt

[Aj3042]

Again, with this response you show you DID NOT READ HIS EXPLANATION in that thread. It has nothing to do with credibility, and everything to do with trusting government regulatory procedures.

Please, just stop.

You seem to be having issues reading my posts. "It has nothing to do with credibility"? He claims there that my opinions on one matter are not credible because of my stance on chalav stam. Maybe you're referring to the government's credibility in enforcing the law, but that's not what I'm using the term for. So clearly you're the one facing reading comprehension issues.

Besides, if you'd know the first thing about these halachos you'd know there's another din pertinent to this discussion-אין טמא בעדרו-milk producing farms don't raise pigs or camels for their milk, only cows. There are those that say that this factor was the most important one in Rav Moshe's opinion and he had other calculations for writing the reason he did. Regardless, your (and others) ignorance of this idea doesn't speak well for you.

If you'd like to make a chalav stam debate thread that's fine. But don't go around saying that if someone follows Rav Moshe on such a matter (that for generations had universal acceptance in America) gets timtum halev and therefore can't speak about any other matter. Besides maligning the many great people who ate chalav stam themselves, you're also making yourself look like a fool. So all your technical points in regards to the Halacha won't change the fact that people who eat it have who to rely on.

[aygart]

http://www.kashrut.com/articles/CholovStamHeter/

[ADG]

Is popcorn getting popcorned again:)

[Achas Veachas]

You seem to be having issues reading my posts. "It has nothing to do with credibility"? He claims there that my opinions on one matter are not credible because of my stance on chalav stam. Maybe you're referring to the government's credibility in enforcing the law, but that's not what I'm using the term for. So clearly you're the one facing reading comprehension issues.

Besides, if you'd know the first thing about these halachos you'd know there's another din pertinent to this discussion-אין טמא בעדרו-milk producing farms don't raise pigs or camels for their milk, only cows. There are those that say that this factor was the most important one in Rav Moshe's opinion and he had other calculations for writing the reason he did. Regardless, your (and others) ignorance of this idea doesn't speak well for you.

If you'd like to make a chalav stam debate thread that's fine. But don't go around saying that if someone follows Rav Moshe on such a matter (that for generations had universal acceptance in America) gets timtum halev and therefore can't speak about any other matter. Besides maligning the many great people who ate chalav stam themselves, you're also making yourself look like a fool. So all your technical points in regards to the Halacha won't change the fact that people who eat it have who to rely on.

Again, that is NOT what Freddy was saying, all he said was that if you don't trust the government for vaccines how do you trust them for your milk...

[etech0]

Is popcorn getting popcorned again:)

buttered, cholov yisroel. No need to worry