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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7000 on: October 18, 2023, 12:04:56 PM »
Be honest now. Aren't you glad during this crisis we don't have a president that says there are good people on both sides?

Just watched a clip of Airforce One taking Biden out of Israel, and my mind wandered, as it is wont to do, and for a moment imagined the plane crashing. I then realized who would take over in that scenario and just about had a heart attack.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7001 on: October 19, 2023, 01:08:27 AM »
If a single person in Liechtenstein is killed in a terror attack do we say it's like three 9/11s for Liechtenstein?

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7002 on: October 19, 2023, 10:37:10 AM »
If a single person in Liechtenstein is killed in a terror attack do we say it's like three 9/11s for Liechtenstein?
If they are trying to manipulate the US, yes.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7003 on: October 19, 2023, 12:36:13 PM »
When you keep saying Hamas=Nazi's aren't you playing down what the Nazi's did?
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7004 on: October 19, 2023, 12:52:33 PM »
When you keep saying Hamas=Nazi's aren't you playing down what the Nazi's did?

Hamas' stated goal is the destruction of Israel and ALL Jews. Same for Hizbullah. They aren't secret about this, they say it openly and clearly. Just to give an example, look at this (you don't have to watch the whole think, start at 2:30 if you wish)
https://twitter.com/Kevin__McMahon/status/1711833732036862198

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7005 on: October 19, 2023, 01:00:32 PM »
Hamas' stated goal is the destruction of Israel and ALL Jews. Same for Hizbullah. They aren't secret about this, they say it openly and clearly.
I understand their goal and the history.

Their goals were/are the same but the scope of what was done is on different planets. You don't want people thinking the Nazi's attack Jews, killed a 1-2k and then ran and hid.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7006 on: October 19, 2023, 01:01:38 PM »
Hamas' stated goal is the destruction of Israel and ALL Jews. Same for Hizbullah. They aren't secret about this, they say it openly and clearly.

Having said that, personally, I don't call them Nazis, and I think Nazis and Holocaust should be reserved for that, as nothing is comparable to the Holocaust. But it is an entirely valid viewpoint to call people who openly state their desire to wipe out all Jews Nazis.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7007 on: October 19, 2023, 01:02:33 PM »
I understand their goal and the history.

Their goals were/are the same but the scope of what was done is on different planets. You don't want people thinking the Nazi's attack Jews, killed a 1-2k and then ran and hid.

We crossed each other there - as you can see, I agree with you

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7008 on: October 19, 2023, 01:04:33 PM »
...and I think Nazis and Holocaust should be reserved for that, as nothing is comparable to the Holocaust.
This!!!
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7009 on: October 19, 2023, 01:08:58 PM »
Having said that, personally, I don't call them Nazis, and I think Nazis and Holocaust should be reserved for that, as nothing is comparable to the Holocaust. But it is an entirely valid viewpoint to call people who openly state their desire to wipe out all Jews Nazis.

The synthesis of both perspectives is that “never again” means we must defend ourselves or there is no assurance that r”l nothing will compare to the holocaust.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7010 on: October 19, 2023, 01:12:30 PM »
The synthesis of both perspectives is that “never again” means we must defend ourselves or there is no assurance that r”l nothing will compare to the holocaust.
I truly believe the "H" will never happen again. I wish I could say the same for this latest tragedy.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7011 on: October 20, 2023, 09:32:42 AM »
I don't see mention of comparison to Heidrich.

I think invoking Godwin's law here shows extremely shallow and superficial reasoning/understanding.

Maybe, I'm a shallow person, but it's invoking it many other times that makes it make sense.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7012 on: October 20, 2023, 09:40:49 AM »
I think you are maybe missing the point which most people making Nazi comparisons are making. It is not a question of scale, obviously the absolute magnitude of horrors and destruction of the Holocaust dwarfs any in modern history, including this latest by Hamas. However, the depth of the depravity and Jew hatred and sheer cruelty of the Hamas terrorists surely is comparable to the Nazis, and they have demonstrated the same capacity for evil if only they had the resources the Nazis did in their time, in that they are truly similar. Hope thats clear.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7013 on: October 20, 2023, 09:45:27 AM »
When you keep saying Hamas=Nazi's aren't you playing down what the Nazi's did?

Regarding Nazi and Holocaust, I don’t think anything should be compared to the Holocaust (unless there’s an event that is truly comparable at scale), but using the word Nazi to describe Hamas does not belittle or whitewash what the Nazis did or stood for.

The comparison to Nazis is appropriate as much of the world did not understand that Hamas was more than rebels fighting for their freedom. They have to come to learn that they are not just killing soldiers, but also butchering women and children too. Yet this still does not indicate that Hamas stands for anything except butchering Israelis, as stated by those claiming they are anti-Zionist but not anti-Semitic.

The Nazi label makes it clear that Hamas’ hatred is pointed at Jews across the globe, Israeli Jews are simply the most convenient target.

Nazism is an ideaology. Holocaust was the natural manifestation of the Nazi ideology. The Nazi ideology existed before the Holocaust and was just as dangerous and abhorrent even before 1938. Hamas shares their value of a judenrein world. It is extremely important to understand how the ideology of these savages may manifest if they had the power to carry it through.

Until 1944, the world did not understand that Nazis would brutally murder every Jew in the world if given the chance. In 2023, the world does not understand that Hamas would murder every Jew in the world if given the chance.

What’s the point of learning history if apt comparisons cannot be made?
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7014 on: October 20, 2023, 09:50:55 AM »
Nazism is an ideaology. Holocaust was the natural manifestation of the Nazi ideology. The Nazi ideology existed before the Holocaust and was just as dangerous and abhorrent even before 1938. Hamas shares their value of a judenrein world. It is extremely important to understand how the ideology of these savages may manifest if they had the power to carry it through.

Until 1944, the world did not understand that Nazis would brutally murder every Jew in the world if given the chance. In 2023, the world does not understand that Hamas would murder every Jew in the world if given the chance.

What’s the point of learning history if apt comparisons cannot be made?
You are trying to give a history lesson to a generation that has the attention span of a Tic-Tok video.
Hamas = Nazi
Many believe Hamas = freedom fighters
Therefore Nazi = freedom fighters
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7015 on: October 20, 2023, 09:55:44 AM »
You are trying to give a history lesson to a generation that has the attention span of a Tic-Tok video.
Hamas = Nazi
Many believe Hamas = freedom fighters
Therefore Nazi = freedom fighters

I think there are people that will never understand, and people that will understand if given a chance.

The former are not worth thinking about, the latter however have had their existing beliefs challenged and likely modified after seeing the atrocities from October 7th. Now - when their mind is open - is the time to help them understand where these atrocities stem from.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7016 on: October 20, 2023, 09:56:06 AM »
Nazism is an ideaology. Holocaust was the natural manifestation of the Nazi ideology. The Nazi ideology existed before the Holocaust and was just as dangerous and abhorrent even before 1938. Hamas shares their value of a judenrein world. It is extremely important to understand how the ideology of these savages may manifest if they had the power to carry it through.

Until 1944, the world did not understand that Nazis would brutally murder every Jew in the world if given the chance. In 2023, the world does not understand that Hamas would murder every Jew in the world if given the chance.

What’s the point of learning history if apt comparisons cannot be made?
I tend to agree with this logic, though I haven't call them Nazis personally. But is this just semantics about mission success?

If Hamas went all in and sent in 50,000 terrorists instead of ~3,000 and R"L slaughtered an order of magnitude more Jews than they actually did on simchas torah, are they then called Nazis?
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7017 on: October 20, 2023, 09:57:22 AM »
Should Pro-Palestina rallies/events be allowed under 1A?
It seems the goalpost are moving on this one. 
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7018 on: October 20, 2023, 10:01:43 AM »
Should Pro-Palestina rallies/events be allowed under 1A?
It seems the goalpost are moving on this one.

Every single rally calls for genocide. I don’t see why it would be protected. Every single protestor should be arrested for incitement.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #7019 on: October 20, 2023, 10:06:35 AM »
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