Tragic News Master Thread

[Mordyk]

I assume the “bar mitzva suicide”
Zev Brenner just did an episode about it

what exactly could he have an episode on? the net result of the story is pretty tragic, and almost everyone knows someone that went through a similar divorce with parent annihilation issues.

just to make an episode and rub the story in the families face for publicity?

[Yehudaa]

what exactly could he have an episode on? the net result of the story is pretty tragic, and almost everyone knows someone that went through a similar divorce with parent annihilation issues.

just to make an episode and rub the story in the families face for publicity?

LARB?

[Mordyk]

LARB?

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https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531.0

[EliJelly]

Besides that studies have shown a high prevalence of copycat incidences from publicizing these cases.

No question. My girls came home from school asking me about the "bar mitzva" suicide last week! Imagine how that impacts on young mentally troubled teens.

[Abebee]

What type of "awareness" helps?

That it actually happens by us. Yes, some of us are out there and read. But too many people we (i) see on a daily basis don't believe or don't want to believe that the rate in the Frum community unfortunately is more then 1 a week.

[Abebee]

No question. My girls came home from school asking me about the "bar mitzva" suicide last week! Imagine how that impacts on young mentally troubled teens.

Do you think a healthy discussion with teens about suicide can prevent more cases?
Hard to believe that by the numbers and stories being out there it will lead to more cases. I think having these hard discussions with your kids that even if life looks bad and even if you think you can't go on -  there is help. In the long run by shoving it under the rug, I don't think we are saving lives.

[Yehudaa]

help me. and please add to wiki
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10531.0

Listen and report back.

[Just A Jew]

No question. My girls came home from school asking me about the "bar mitzva" suicide last week! Imagine how that impacts on young mentally troubled teens.

In that it inspires copycats, or that they now know they aren't the only ones who feel this way and it's ok to talk about it?

[aygart]

In that it inspires copycats, or that they now know they aren't the only ones who feel this way and it's ok to talk about it?

Yes

[AsherO]

What type of "awareness" helps?

All over our local newspapers and sites won't help or bring good.
Giving details is very traumatic for young children and trauma survivors...

Parents / mechnchim need awareness of Mental health. We as a community made a lot of progress in this field. The amount of Heimsha licensed mental health professionals is at a recorded high.

What’s sad is that despite the prevalence of practictioners, there seems to be a real crisis, many practitioners are sub-par, and quality care is prohibitively expensive.

[aygart]

What’s sad is that despite the prevalence of practictioners, there seems to be a real crisis, many practitioners are sub-par, and quality care is prohibitively expensive.

That is not at all unique to therapy or any community

[AsherO]

That is not at all unique to therapy or any community

Agree, it isn’t specific to our community. All I’m saying is more awareness or even more resources isn’t a complete solution.

[EliJelly]

In that it inspires copycats, or that they now know they aren't the only ones who feel this way and it's ok to talk about it?

The former. I'm no expert, but my laymen concern is that introducing that to a certain age that would otherwise have no clue, that such a thing exists and actually happened with someone their age in the community, can be detrimental and opens up a terrible option to young kids who are suffering that they would never think of. Perhaps an expert would argue the a downside to this, but it's likely a tough dilemma.

[AsherO]

In that it inspires copycats, or that they now know they aren't the only ones who feel this way and it's ok to talk about it?

Much better they hear about other people who’ve felt/feel this way and persevere.

[WayBackMachine]

I don't know, something with a @yeshivabucher

For gosh sake, if you have something to say, say it.

Sorry I was referring to this, I guess

I heard there was another one last night in BP. don't know the details.

I woke up to a lot of chatter of how such a terrible thing could happen, without anyone writing details, so I figured I'll pull off a #YWN and #DDF will fill me in,
I still don't know what happened and I see a lot of people going through pain Hashem Should help us all and take us out of this lengthy Gulus B'koruv Mamesh

[imayid2]

https://dusiznies.blogspot.com/2024/04/week-after-bar-mitzvah-boy-hangs.html?m=1

[EliJelly]

https://dusiznies.blogspot.com/2024/04/week-after-bar-mitzvah-boy-hangs.html?m=1

Full of rubbish. Got the basic facts wrong here, one after the other.

and tonight came the bitter news of the passing of a 15-year-old boy, Monday night, who suffered from parental alienation and whose heart could not bear it

Self fabricated out of nothing. No one knowing this family claims anything of the sort whatsoever, hence why it's so shocking, the bochur's friends too didn't suspect a thing. (No details in what fashion he actually died, after the other story everyone instinctively said this is probably the same, time will give a clearer picture.)

The tragedy occurred at Tash Shul Williamsburg

In BP, not WB.

As you will recall, and as reported extensively in DIN, last week, a bar mitzvah boy took his own life, a few hours after his bar mitzvah celebrations ended.

Several months after.

Eta, Seeing now the nature of that website... Ugly pashkevil site and we shouldn't expect better.

[Ver hut gazugt]

Before people shout, Awareness. is there any evidence it helps?
My gut tells my it is better to focus on helping kids in general and educating teachers and those in power specifically, on what to look after and in specific situations put certain mechanisms/support in place for those that can use it.

[jj1000]

Before people shout, Awareness. is there any evidence it helps?

I think it's obvious that this question is not unique to our community but applies to anyone. So, I've been doing some Googling trying to find actual research papers.

This study done on suicide prevention programs in the Air Force https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC292986/ :

"A 33% relative risk reduction was observed for suicide after the intervention; reductions for other outcomes ranged from 18-54%"

Another study, found no tangible benefit https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19723735/

But the most comprehensive paper seems to be here https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3492539/ it mentions a 4 part program, that when implemented has seen good results.

 (1) Training of general practitioners and support through different methods; (2) A public relations campaign informing about depression, (3) Cooperation with community facilitators (teachers, priests, local media, etc.), and (4) Support for self-help activities as well as for high-risk groups.

One interesting note on this topic, also from that paper:

"Of note, media reports covering specific suicide methods were found to increase suicidal behaviors in the community in some studies (73, 74). Therefore, it is advisable to avoid inclusion of specific details such as the location or method of death in news reports."

I think the bottom line is that there is a lot we can do without spreading stories and rumors about what did or didn't happen in one-off cases.

[aygart]

On the one hand, there is some evidence that some types of awareness programs are helpful in getting some people get help. On the other hand, there is evidence that just stam talking about the topic and discussing cases can be detrimental. The only thing I can take out of that is that the laymen should keep their mouths shut and awareness should only be implemented as a part of properly organized programs.