Torah & Hashkafa Questions (PC Free For All)

[imayid2]

My mesorah is from the Chofetz Chaim.

What do you mean by this?

Do you actually think if a talmid were to show the Chofetz Chaim for example a Ralbag that says otherwise he would actually change his shittah?

What about if someone showed him the ביאור הלכה in סימן רי״ח?

[imayid2]

I'm assuming you're specifically referring to ~30:39 where he says the chovos halevovos and r saadia is talking about in a case where there already is a gezeira.
There's always a gezeira on a person from rosh Hashanah.

He’s is saying there isn’t necessarily a gezairah from RH, that’s his point. Or said otherwise it was nigzar on RH that he die because someone decided to kill him and he didn’t have enough merit to be saved. It’s effectively the same thing, bottom line is that without that guys choice to kill him he needn’t have died.

He's effectively saying that there is no such opinion that says a baal bechira can't affect another person. (And if there was such an opinion he wouldn't know how to answer the dilemma.)

He was madcha some source but there are others that are quite explicit, famously the Gra who insisted that a Baal bechira does not have the power to kill some one who isn’t supposed to die anyways.

[Definitions2]

He’s is saying there isn’t necessarily a gezairah from RH, that’s his point. Or said otherwise it was nigzar on RH that he die because someone decided to kill him and he didn’t have enough merit to be saved. It’s effectively the same thing, bottom line is that without that guys choice to kill him he needn’t have died

I'm not sure how you see that.
He didn't mention anything about rosh hashana.
How can there not be a gezeira on rosh hashana?
Whats the chovos halevovos point in saying this? What would I think differently?
And why does he later say not to drink poison only because you shouldn't test god? What did he say previously that would make me think it's ok to drink poison?

[imayid2]

I'm not sure how you see that.
He didn't mention anything about rosh hashana.
How can there not be a gezeira on rosh hashana?

There wasn't a gzeirah that he needs to die irrespective of the bad guys choice, it was nigzar on RH that he won't be saved from the killers intent to harm him.

Whats the chovos halevovos point in saying this? What would I think differently?

I don't understand this question. To our eyes it always appears like someone somebody initiated us harm, when in reality it was due to us anyways 99.99% of the time. (I don't think he did full justice to the Chovos Halevavos).

[imayid2]

A strong critique of Rabbi Shreiber without resorting to name calling
https://iyun.org.il/sedersheni/between-separation-and-alienation/

[Definitions2]

I don't understand this question. To our eyes it always appears like someone somebody initiated us harm, when in reality it was due to us anyways 99.99% of the time. (I don't think he did full justice to the Chovos Halevavos).

I just needed clarification so we're both on the same page on what he's saying. It wasnt a shver kasha. It was just different then how I understood it so I wanted clarification.

But I think my other question does stand. Why did he say the following part? What did he say previously that would make me think otherwise? The whole thing just doesnt sound like r tatz interpretation.


Does that question make sense?

[imayid2]

I just needed clarification so we're both on the same page on what he's saying. It wasnt a shver kasha. It was just different then how I understood it so I wanted clarification.

But I think my other question does stand. Why did he say the following part? What did he say previously that would make me think otherwise? The whole thing just doesnt sound like r tatz interpretation.

I agree that his explanation of the CH is completely incompatible to what the CH says.

[imayid2]

If you can find seforim that say otherwise, very nice. But it doesn’t mean anything. The litvish yeshivos followed the Chovos Halevovos.

The Alter of Kelm and Rav Dovid Cohen Shlita (RY Chevron) must’ve missed the memo


Dittos with Rav Simcha Zissel Brodie

[imayid2]

Audio Machaa by Rav Aaron Ehrenfeld about divrei kefira that was said on a popular show featuring various guests

https://vocaroo.com/embed/1cZ5TdR8xYif

Seems that some גדולי ישראל have expressed similar sentiments to RMF? Quoted here

[Saulius]

Rabbi Yisroel Brog
Parashat Vayigash - Yosef Hatzadik's message about Oct. 7

TorahAnytime Links
🎥  Video https://MyTAT.me/v271368
🎤 Audio https://MyTAT.me/a271368

[Definitions2]

Rabbi Yisroel Brog
Parashat Vayigash - Yosef Hatzadik's message about Oct. 7

TorahAnytime Links
🎥  Video https://MyTAT.me/v271368
🎤 Audio https://MyTAT.me/a271368

Can you give a summary?

[imayid2]

Can you give a summary?

People think they are effecting in this world but it is an illusion, it is all preordained by Hashem. Our Bechira is limited to thinking about doing things.

Sounds Ishbitz.

[Saulius]

Rav Sorotzkin in his shiur last Erev Shabbos/Zos Chanukah, #569 further elaborated extensively on what happened Shemini Atzeres and the sources from the Vilna Gaon.
https://tinyurl.com/RavSorotzkin

[jye]

People think they are effecting in this world but it is an illusion, it is all preordained by Hashem. Our Bechira is limited to thinking about doing things.

Sounds Ishbitz.

He quoting Rav Yerucham. I didn’t have patience for the whole thing but it sounded like he was just trying to bring out the idea of רבות מחשבות בלב איש ועצת ה היא תקום that specifically through the רבות מחשבות and despite man’s efforts he plays into עצת ה and specifically his actions become the means through which the עצת ה is carried out like the neighbor of יוסף מוקיר שבת and יוסף and eventually יעקב ending up in מצרים as in מעצה עמוקה של אותו צדיק. In that sense it’s not very controversial.

From the part I listened to it didn’t sound like man can never use his בחירה to take a specific action. I did hear him say that war strategy and the like is just an illusion because the events happen the way Hashem plans them. That can be true as well in a sense. Just not literally. It would be sound to say that the titanic wasn’t the result of a specific bechirah; it was meant to happen, and that would be true in a sense. It doesn’t take the Ishbitzer.

[Definitions2]

People think they are effecting in this world but it is an illusion, it is all preordained by Hashem. Our Bechira is limited to thinking about doing things.

Sounds Ishbitz.

What's ishbitz?
I remember hearing once from r tatz an explanation how Hashem has knowledge and we have bechira. That Hashem controls the actions but we control the thoughts. Is that it?

[AsherO]

What's ishbitz?
I remember hearing once from r tatz an explanation how Hashem has knowledge and we have bechira. That Hashem controls the actions but we control the thoughts. Is that it?

Then how does Ishbitz view schar vonesh? If there’s no choices about action, how can there be consequences?

[jye]

Then how does Ishbitz view schar vonesh? If there’s no choices about action, how can there be consequences?

https://he.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/מרדכי_יוסף_ליינר

יסוד עיקרי בהגותו של רבי מרדכי יוסף, הוא הפנאנתאיזם הקיצוני שהוא גרס הלכה למעשה, ולפיו המציאות כולה היא אלוהות. בדרשותיו מודגשת המסקנה המוסרית המעשית מן הקביעה התאולוגית ולפיה 'אין עוד מלבדו': גם מעשי האדם אינם באמת שלו, ואין הוא יכול להישפט לפי מעשיו. שהרי כשם שהאדם עצמו אינו קיים כיצור נפרד מהאל היוצר, כך גם רצונותיו והכרעותיו של האדם, אף על פי שהם נראים לו כהכרעות אישיות שלו, לאמיתו של דבר אינם אלא דבר האלוהים. מכך מתבקשת השקפה דטרמיניסטית, הגורסת שתחושת הבחירה החופשית אינה אמיתית, שהרי אין אדם ועולם קיימים כלל, אלא רק האל לבדו. אשר למהותה של הבחירה החופשית העומדת בבסיס המצוות, קיימים רמזים סותרים בספרי רבי מרדכי יוסף, וההוגים במשנתו הציעו דרכים שונות בביאור העניין.[5]
על פי שיטתו זו גרס רבי מרדכי יוסף עוד, שמעשי חטא שונים המוזכרים בתנ"ך אינם מעשי חטא אמיתיים, והם נראים כך רק לכאורה. כך למשל טען שלפעמים אונסים אדם משמים לעשות מעשה מסוים הנראה כחטא ואינו חטא, ולמעשה לזמרי בן סלוא לא הייתה את האפשרות להתגבר על יצרו מכיוון שלמעשה משמים כיוונו אותו למעשה נטילתו את כזבי, וברוח זו ביאר גם את מעשי יהודה ותמר.[6]
בנוסף כתב רבי מרדכי יוסף, שהמצוות שניתנו בתורה בכל פרטי החוקים הקפדניים שבהם, לא ניתנו אלא לתקופה זו, כאשר היצר הרע בתוקף, ואין ביכולת האדם להבחין מלבו הוא מהם הדברים הראויים ומהם המעשים שאינם ראויים. אך התכלית הנרצית, שתיושם בפועל באחרית הימים, היא שהאדם ידע מלבו הוא את שהוא צריך לעשות בכל רגע נתון, בלי חוקים חיצוניים וכלליים.[7]

[imayid2]

@Definitions
This is the חיד״א in his sefer ראש דוד

Same idea

[AsherO]

@Definitions
This is the חיד״א in his sefer ראש דוד

Who is The First R' Yesahyeh that he's quoting?

[Saulius]

https://twitter.com/ysybt11528/status/1737815849245819072