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Q: Hi, I searched all over the internet for an active link of the Chase American Airlines credit card and couldn't find one. How did you guys manage to get this card?
A: Ha ha... There's (currently) no co-branded Chase AA credit card, this thread is discussing 'Chase Adverse Action'. As a general rule, AA refers to 'American Airlines', while A/A refers to 'Adverse Action'.

Q: What does Chase A/A look like? Can I do something to prevent that from happening? And once I'm hit, is there anything I can do to get back in the game?
A: To better address all the questions and concerns, we'll divide it in three sections:

1) What Are The Triggers?
2) What Happens?
3) How To Get Back

What Are The Triggers?

Basically, there are two possibilities that might trigger a Chase A/A:
Credit Related Risk
-Opening too many new cards in a short period of time, (even from other banks, and even being added as an additional user is considered as opening a new account, even a spike in your total CL even from being  additional user has been a trigger for many people - Dec 2013);
-A sudden excessive use of your cards;
-Maxing out your available credit limit.
-Buying large amounts of Chase GC (most people didn't have problems but lately some people are getting shut down for this).
Of course, there is no general rule with these things, it mostly varies by your particular credit file and worthiness.

Perk Abuse
-Transferring Ultimate Rewards points to someone else's account other than your spouse or domestic partner;
 both, the sender and the recipient, are at risk of A/A.
-Abuse of the 5% cashback bonus on the AARP card.

What Happens?

Q: What does a Chase A/A look like? How do I know whether I was shut down or not?
A: If you can't access your online account on chase.com, this is not A/A.
    When you encounter such a thing it could be because 1) the website is undergoing maintenance - wait till the site is back up; 2) a sever error - try using
    different browser
; 3) you didn't log in to your account for a while - call the number on the back of your card; 4) a security concern (resulted by a large QuickPay
    transfer or similar - call the number on the back of your card.
    When you get hit by A/A, you'll see a message above your account "Your account is closed and no longer available for use. If you have a balance remaining on the account, please continue to
    make monthly payments by the due date."; your card will no longer work; and within 7 days you'll receive a letter in the mail notifying you of the closure and the reason to it.
Q: Do they close down all my cards or just one?
A: If your shutdown was a result of 'credit related risk', they usually close all your credit card accounts, while with 'perk abusers' they used to shut down all of your cards (April '12), but lately, it is limited to the accounts involved in the abuse.
Q: Do they shut down other accounts such as checking, savings or investment accounts?
A: Lately people are reporting getting their checking account closed when getting A/A'd.
Q: Once my card is closed, can I still access my points?
A: Again there's a difference whats the reason your account was closed. Ironically, if its because of 'credit risk', your points will be forfeited, (and that used to be the case with 'perk abusers' during the April '12 A/A wave), but if its because of 'perk abuse', you'll get a certain amount of time (from 2 to 90 days - as specified on your letter) to transfer or redeem your points.

How To Get Back

Q: Once one was shut down, is there any point of calling  customer service or any other department and try to convince them to reopen the closed accounts?
A: If your account was closed due to 'perk abuse' there is -almost- no way to convince them to reopen it (unless there was an error, and you really didn't commit any violations of the
     terms and conditions).
     But if your account was closed for credit related reasons, you might have luck by calling the executive dept. 1888-622-7547 and trying to explain them why it might've looked like your at risk of default, but in fact, there is nothing to worry about. But of course YMMV with this.
Q: Can I apply for a new credit card after my accounts were closed?
A: Yes. There are a multiple reports of people being approved for a new Chase card after waiting a few months and applying again. But some were not that lucky, and some had their new accounts closed a few days after approval.
« Last edited by Iz on March 22, 2017, 11:26:51 PM »

Poll

Have You Been A/A'ed?

Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received 1 Cent Per Point :(
10 (1.6%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down And Received Nothing For My Points >:(
62 (10%)
No (Bli Ayin Horah)
455 (73.4%)
I Was Shut Down But Was Able To Get Reopened After Appeal
24 (3.9%)
Yes, I've Been Shut Down But Was Able To Transfer Points To Miles
69 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 618

Author Topic: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)  (Read 1727504 times)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2540 on: April 11, 2013, 11:07:01 PM »
IIRC he was running a somewhat shady business.
??? He writes that chase gave him the go ahead and he is banking with them for 8 years

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2541 on: April 11, 2013, 11:13:47 PM »
Flexibility.
+1, tough decisions.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2542 on: April 11, 2013, 11:19:45 PM »
+1, tough decisions.
Never worse  ;)
But i actually moved a lot of my ur out as i'm becoming paranoid with a AA and i need chase probably more then they need me  ;)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2543 on: April 11, 2013, 11:23:07 PM »
??? He writes that chase gave him the go ahead and he is banking with them for 8 years

At the end of the day he was doing something shady. I wouldn't be worried of the same happening to me nor should anyone else that isn't doing shady stuff.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2544 on: April 11, 2013, 11:47:31 PM »
+1, tough decisions.
Agree, but 400k, at least half I know where they're going ;)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2545 on: April 11, 2013, 11:59:55 PM »
At the end of the day he was doing something shady. I wouldn't be worried of the same happening to me nor should anyone else that isn't doing shady stuff.

Im not sure you remember the bloody days of March- May 2012.

 Many people got shut down, even those not doing shady things.

 Do get a picture of the atmosphere then, remember that Dan himself transferred out his UR points.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2546 on: April 12, 2013, 12:25:36 AM »
At the end of the day he was doing something shady. I wouldn't be worried of the same happening to me nor should anyone else that isn't doing shady stuff.

I was A/Ad  (documented it here over several posts). Doing nothing shady at all, they just decided I'm too much of a risk and I'm still blocked over 1.5 years later.

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2547 on: April 12, 2013, 12:27:25 AM »
I was A/Ad  (documented it here over several posts). Doing nothing shady at all, they just decided I'm too much of a risk and I'm still blocked over 1.5 years later.
What did your CR/Credit ratio with Chase and other CCs look like?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2548 on: April 12, 2013, 12:31:48 AM »
Reading that account on FT last week made me want to xfer at least half of my rather large UR balance into UA and HGP... haven't done it yet, but should.

As was said, you basically know where the points are going (unless you're selling).
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2549 on: April 12, 2013, 12:34:03 AM »
And yet there's still KE with F available every day and who knows what Chase may add in the future...tough decisions.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2550 on: April 12, 2013, 12:37:28 AM »
And yet there's still KE with F available every day and who knows what Chase may add in the future...tough decisions.

A good point, indeed. But then again, there is no reason to keep more than the equivalent of about 2-4 round trip first class tickets in your UR account, even with possible new xfer partners. 400K or so should be the max, IMHO.

Time to go transfer.

(Which reminds me of another option home from Asia -- KE)
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2551 on: April 12, 2013, 12:41:23 AM »
If you get a letter stating your checking/savings account is going to be closed the first thing you should do is "SELL SELL SELL".
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2552 on: April 12, 2013, 12:42:29 AM »
If you get a letter stating your checking/savings account is going to be closed the first thing you should do is "SELL SELL SELL".
Not everybody is in it for the $$$ ;)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2553 on: April 12, 2013, 12:43:24 AM »
Not everybody is in it for the $$$ ;)
OK, get them out of your account ASAP!
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2554 on: April 14, 2013, 07:34:20 PM »
I'm working my way through this thread for a week every break I have. Upto may 2012.

Im continuing, but have a q that i wanna put out here incase there's more clarity ahead in the thread, that will help me before I get to it. Will take me at least another week.

2 SW, freedom MC(in addition to visa) SP Hyatt Marriott all in about the last six months. CL with chase prob 75% o y total and more than half reported income. Did a few UR - UA transfers for different people before I knew it was risky. 3 transfers total about 40K points. The last transfer showed the warning on the screen about transferring only to spouse.

I wanna move all my UR (100k) to UA. My wife is at my address but different last name. I'd rather move the UR to her UA than to mine, but don't want to risk anything. I know this move is totally legit, but since the last name is different, I'm concerned that it may raise a flag. If it does, even though this is legit, there is other activity that they may no like so much once they start looking.

have the last 10 months of this thread indicated whether I should proceed with caution, or should be safe?

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2555 on: April 14, 2013, 07:36:54 PM »
I'm working my way through this thread for a week every break I have. Upto may 2012.
Props!
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2557 on: April 14, 2013, 07:55:36 PM »
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Props=kudos, respect, good job etc.
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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2558 on: April 14, 2013, 08:22:33 PM »
Props=kudos, respect, good job etc.
Was familiar with all of the above except for props ;-)

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Re: Chase A/A Master Thread (Now With Poll)
« Reply #2559 on: April 14, 2013, 08:29:29 PM »
Was familiar with all of the above except for props ;-)
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