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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2020, 02:37:00 PM »
How about we start backwards.
If it's just the flu, why is the entire world, starting with China, shutting down their economies?
fear of the unknown. While it's not exactly the same as the flu, all this fear mongering doesn't do us any good.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2020, 02:40:08 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/09/can-a-face-mask-stop-coronavirus-covid-19-facts-checked

The bottom line - we do take precautions in the flu season, including flu shots, which lowers (but doesn't eliminate) risk of getting the flu, and can also decrease the symptoms and length of the flu.

While more people die from the flu each year, significantly more people get the flu. I believe that the flu has a fatality rate of 0.1% - or if there was a shul that had 1000 people, 1 would die from the flu.

So far COVID19 has a fatality rate of about 3% - about 3500 fatalities on ~ 110K infections. So the same shul that has 1000 people - at least 30 would die from Corona - 30x more deadly than the regular flu. (Based on the shady accounting by some countries, scientists estimate that the actual fatality rate is more like 1% - but still 10x greater than the common flu).
I hear that. From what I'm seeing, the main reason we are trying contain this, and not the flu, is because there's actually a chance we can contain this. The death rate is higher, but with the number of cases there are way more fatalities from the flu as there are way more cases.


How about we start backwards.
If it's just the flu, why is the entire world, starting with China, shutting down their economies?
Precisely my question. 
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2020, 02:54:49 PM »
fear of the unknown. While it's not exactly the same as the flu, all this fear mongering doesn't do us any good.

Actually, there is no fear of the unknown. But there is fear of the known. It is known to be at least 10x more fatal than the flu. It is unknown if it is 30-40x worse than the flu. It is known to be far more contagious than the flu. It is known that 20x more patients are hospitalized vs the flu. It is known that there is no vaccine and no cure. It is known that there are not nearly enough hospital beds to treat a majority of the severely ill, or any person that gets sick at the wrong time. It is known that the incubation period makes it impossible to catch early. It is known that the summer weather is not going to fizzle it out. It is known that the US has very few test kits to track the spread. It is known that the US doesn't have enough PPE or proper procedures in place. It is known that containment is impossible without massive quarantines.

The only unknown that I am afraid of, and it scares me more and more each day - how long will it take the ignorant and uninformed to start taking it seriously - because only then will we be able to start creating effective measures in curtailing it. And the longer it takes, the more people will die.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2020, 04:08:25 PM »
It is known that the summer weather is not going to fizzle it out.
Where did you see that?

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2020, 04:44:48 PM »

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2020, 04:50:08 PM »
Thanks. So they're not saying it's known that it won't dwindle in the summer. Just that we can't assume that.

From what I read and understand, studies show that they expect it to dwindle in the summer but it won't just fizzle out like the flu.

I think this article is a better read:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074131/coronavirus-highly-sensitive-high-temperatures-dont-bank-summer
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2020, 05:08:52 PM »
From what I read and understand, studies show that they expect it to dwindle in the summer but it won't just fizzle out like the flu.

I think this article is a better read:
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3074131/coronavirus-highly-sensitive-high-temperatures-dont-bank-summer
As I said it's all unknown. Just like this is unknown, pretty much everything else you claim is known is actually very much unknown.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #28 on: March 09, 2020, 05:13:06 PM »
What is known is what is going on in Italian hospitals. And it's not pretty
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #29 on: March 09, 2020, 05:14:08 PM »
What is known is what is going on in Italian hospitals. And it's not pretty
That doesn't mean we should start making everything up and claiming it as fact.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2020, 05:14:17 PM »
As I said it's all unknown.

Not anything like you said. It is known that it doesn't just die in the summer, the study shows that. Keep burying your head in the sand. There is studies behind everything I wrote, but at least you have the President on your side. The actual numbers aren't set in stone but the range of variance is way beyond anything in the range of flu.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2020, 05:15:24 PM »
That doesn't mean we should start making everything up and claiming it as fact.

Like the fact that it's no worse than the flu? Lol
Will be funny (actually sad) to look back at your posts in a month or 2.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2020, 05:17:36 PM »
Is there 100% correlation between anti vaxxers and people downplaying COVID-19 after looking at Italy?

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2020, 05:18:44 PM »
Because it's very similar to the flu in many ways.

Let's hear all the facts.
How is this similar to the flu, with sources.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2020, 05:20:05 PM »
Is there 100% correlation between anti vaxxers and people downplaying COVID-19 after looking at Italy?

They're just doing it for attention. They're in cahoots with China and pretending they need hospital beds, doctors, respirators.
It's all FAKE NEWS!
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2020, 05:27:35 PM »
Let's hear all the facts.
How is this similar to the flu, with sources.
You're the one coming here claiming the world is coming to an end, but your first source actually says we don't know.
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2020, 05:29:17 PM »
Because it's very similar to the flu in many ways. It's really not all you're hyping it up to be. All the panic I'm seeing is a fear of the unknown.

Let's hear all the facts.
How is this similar to the flu, with sources.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2020, 05:29:57 PM »
You're the one coming here claiming the world is coming to an end

[Citation needed]
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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2020, 05:33:21 PM »
[Citation needed]
just a few posts up
Actually, there is no fear of the unknown. But there is fear of the known. It is known to be at least 10x more fatal than the flu. It is unknown if it is 30-40x worse than the flu. It is known to be far more contagious than the flu. It is known that 20x more patients are hospitalized vs the flu. It is known that there is no vaccine and no cure. It is known that there are not nearly enough hospital beds to treat a majority of the severely ill, or any person that gets sick at the wrong time. It is known that the incubation period makes it impossible to catch early. It is known that the summer weather is not going to fizzle it out. It is known that the US has very few test kits to track the spread. It is known that the US doesn't have enough PPE or proper procedures in place. It is known that containment is impossible without massive quarantines.

The only unknown that I am afraid of, and it scares me more and more each day - how long will it take the ignorant and uninformed to start taking it seriously - because only then will we be able to start creating effective measures in curtailing it. And the longer it takes, the more people will die.
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: Corona virus and your shull
« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2020, 06:10:10 PM »
just a few posts up

I never said anything about the world coming to an end and will never say so. It's a serious pandemic that needs to be treated more seriously than the flu otherwise it will get more serious the more we delay. If you care about the old and immunocompromised people in your life, you'd be very concerned.

Now, I'm waiting for the flu similarities, with sources.
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