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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #80 on: May 13, 2021, 10:12:33 PM »
I was just sent a 58 page manifesto against the Covid vaccines using really bad info and the names of a bunch of well respected Gedolim, Admurim, Rabbonim, and Roshei Yeshivos. This is a huge problem.

The more outlandish it is and the more names it names, the quicker it’ll get thrown out.

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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #81 on: May 13, 2021, 10:13:32 PM »


“We are not anti-vaccine”

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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #82 on: May 13, 2021, 10:20:18 PM »
The more outlandish it is and the more names it names, the quicker it’ll get thrown out.

Unfortunately, I had a very real and relevant argument with someone who is very well respected in his community who bought this booklet hook, line, and sinker. If he's buying, others are, too, especially if it lines up with the misinformation they've been hearing for the last 14 months. I was told, "these are all FACTS! Check the links! First hand accounts! Did you see what the Rabbonim said in there?"
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #83 on: May 13, 2021, 10:36:24 PM »
Unfortunately, I had a very real and relevant argument with someone who is very well respected in his community who bought this booklet hook, line, and sinker. If he's buying, others are, too, especially if it lines up with the misinformation they've been hearing for the last 14 months. I was told, "these are all FACTS! Check the links! First hand accounts! Did you see what the Rabbonim said in there?"
Whats his response when told that שר התורה says to take the vaccine ? Or did he somehow make it on that list too.

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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #84 on: May 13, 2021, 10:54:47 PM »
"This injection has the potential to have every cell in our bodies producing spike proteins. This means that every cell becomes the target for these killer cells.
The world's top virologists and vaccine developers seem to agree that we would start seeing this deadly effect between 6 weeks and 2 years after the second injection, with most believing that it would take at least 4 to 6 months before we see the first cases.
The first case that I had been presented with was this past October or November, where a woman who had been in the original trial called with what appeared to be multiple organ failure four months after her second shot. Due to the complexity of her case, and my then lack of understanding of how this genetic modification affected our system, and the fact that she was taking so many medications, I told her that I couldn't help her.
The sad thing is, that now that I have spent so much time researching what to do for someone like this, I still have no answers. Since her own body is producing the non-human cells that are antagonizing her immune system, even if there were some kind of way to detoxify her, it would not last more than a day. It is like waking up every morning and getting hit by a car for every day of a person's life. There is injury upon compound injury"

Who is this guy who thinks he is the world's top doctor that every person comes running to him with the craziest symptoms and no other doctor ever heard of it?  ;D

These pamphlets would be so funny if they weren't so unbelievably dangerous.

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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #85 on: May 13, 2021, 11:14:57 PM »
Whats his response when told that שר התורה says to take the vaccine ? Or did he somehow make it on that list too.

That's a non-starter argument in many Chasidish circles. The gist of his argument was there is no chiyuv to follow the roiv when you have a Rov who is an expert in medicine that gives you different guidance. Not that he got the guidance personally, but this anonymous compiler's sources were good enough for him.
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #86 on: May 14, 2021, 02:19:56 AM »
I was just sent a 58 page manifesto against the Covid vaccines using really bad info and the names of a bunch of well respected Gedolim, Admurim, Rabbonim, and Roshei Yeshivos. This is a huge problem.
I agree. Why only 58 pages?
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #87 on: May 14, 2021, 02:20:55 AM »
Whats his response when told that שר התורה says to take the vaccine ? Or did he somehow make it on that list too.
Fake news. Don't believe every video sent on WhatsApp.
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #88 on: May 14, 2021, 06:39:39 AM »
Fake news. Don't believe every video sent on WhatsApp.
As I quickly learned, people here seem to not like this kind of criticism. (re things like RCK, kupat hair etc)
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #89 on: May 14, 2021, 03:04:41 PM »
Fake news. Don't believe every video sent on WhatsApp.
Really? If I prove to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that RCK believes all young healthy people should take the vaccine will you take it?
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #90 on: May 14, 2021, 03:05:21 PM »
As I quickly learned, people here seem to not like this kind of criticism. (re things like RCK, kupat hair etc)
Fake news, people here have no problem believing certain quotes are falsified. Look a couple posts up.
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2021, 02:47:50 PM »
Fake news, people here have no problem believing certain quotes are falsified. Look a couple posts up.
I was going deeper than falsified quotes
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2021, 02:48:07 PM »
Really? If I prove to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that RCK believes all young healthy people should take the vaccine will you take it?
No.
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2021, 11:54:04 PM »
No.
Because you know better than him?
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #94 on: May 16, 2021, 12:03:26 AM »
If the psak goes along with my priors, "how can you go against daas Torah?!"

If the psak goes against my priors, "first of all, the Rov was given the wrong information, plus he's not my Rov. I mean, he is my Rov, but not for this inyan. And besides, I already have another psak, I know I don't usually hold of him, but he's mamash an expert in this, you know?"
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #95 on: May 16, 2021, 12:40:51 AM »
Really? If I prove to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that RCK believes all young healthy people should take the vaccine will you take it?
If my own Doctor says yes then ill consider it...
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #96 on: May 16, 2021, 12:43:09 AM »
If my own Doctor says yes then ill consider it...
Great, that’s a healthy approach to medicine in general. Nobody would fault you for taking medical advice from your PCP.
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #97 on: May 16, 2021, 03:03:51 AM »
Because you know better than him?
I don't get why people think everyone is automatically obligated to follow him. For example, he is famously anti hasidic, do you expect chasidim to ignore that? He isn't my Rov, not for this or anything else. I respect him very much but I chose to live my life based on the psaks/opinions on someone who knows me well and I can interact with normally.
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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #98 on: May 16, 2021, 12:04:36 PM »
Great, that’s a healthy approach to medicine in general. Nobody would fault you for taking medical advice from your PCP.

What about if Zelenko (or his ilk) is your PCP? I think they’d then fault you for choosing a PCP who’s a quack, same difference.

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Re: Rabbanic Covid Guidance
« Reply #99 on: May 16, 2021, 01:37:46 PM »
What about if Zelenko (or his ilk) is your PCP? I think they’d then fault you for choosing a PCP who’s a quack, same difference.
I wish I had Zelenko as my PCP... :)
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