Every other major chassidish event or levaye. We love to be cramped together like sardines
Rachimstrivka shul I’m BP with one entrance is especially dangerous, on Rosh hashanah and selichos it is literally a makom sakanah
As happened in Versailles. The engineers all served prison time.
As a bochur in 770 there were certainly times during Tishrei when I felt like I was getting carried with the crowd without any control or had to push back to stop from getting crushed.Certainly claustrophobic, though at the time I didn't feel in mortal peril. Then again, others felt the same way about Meron in the past. And from what I understand, nothing was particularly different or more crowded than in the past.I felt the same way at the Kotel on Shavuos at netz 2 years ago.Maybe in this post-Meron world we need to examine, fix, or enforce capacity limits on other crowded spaces to avoid a repeat of such a tragedy?Where have you felt like it could be too crowded for safety?
What happened needed a crowd control expert to prevent it, not a structural integrity engineer.
Or you can just declare covid, see the NY post
Link?
Quote from: yesitsme on April 30, 2021, 04:51:25 PMhttps://nypost.com/2021/04/30/israeli-police-official-accepts-blame-for-deadly-stampede-report/Unbelievable lack of sensitivity and arrogance. Seems like the Covid-19 opium caused some serious brain damage to this individual.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/30/israeli-police-official-accepts-blame-for-deadly-stampede-report/
I have been to 770 Hakofos as well as Yomim noraim for more than 35 years. There are definitely things that have changed along the years (some for better and some for worse), I was once in Meron on Lag Ba'omer. IMO enforcing capacity limits isn't the way to go in such places. As correctly pointed outwhere crowd control needs to acknowledge the fact that the crowds will be there, and find the optimal way to make it safest for those crowds.For example: Dividing the passageways into slightly spaced apart single file lanes (a version has been implemented to a certain extent in 770 on Simchas Torah for several years) can help make the bottlenecks safer. Proper communication, in advance as well as in real-time (using video monitoring and large screens so the crowd that doesn't realize the source of the bottleneck sees what's stopping or slowing them), of traffic flow, exit routes, and safe passageway for first responders.
There would have been direct blame on the builders of the bleachers. Their picture would be on the front page of every newspaper right now. There is no way that they would have let it happen,even with “extra people” on them
Google 'crowd control expert' and you'll see that doesn't exist. It's usually the police's job and religious gatherings don't love to involve them.
That's about the bleachers I believe, not everyone that gathered on the pavement, and those that come and go, meaning was there 20k on bleachers that can hold a maximum of 3k? Hard to believe
https://www.gkstill.com/
-2https://www.gkstill.com/I bumped into this site last night without even looking for it
First it was reported that the bleachers collapsed. As I watch the bleaches filled to the max and jumping up and down is something to be addressed to avoid another tragedy.
Now, if the קהילות and הקדשות are smart they should engage this person/company or similar before any state official sticks their foot into it. Be ahead of the curve, to avoid it turning in undesired ways. I would assume that the Boyaner would be a good place to start.
I have no knowledge of this person/company but that is exactly what is needed. I would be shocked if any venue is built without going through this analysis.