Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?

[CountValentine]

100%. I guess we'll see if that's how this plays out or now, and why.

You mention manslaughter. I wonder if that is on the table.

[as2]

You mention manslaughter. I wonder if that is on the table.

I meant it more in the general sense, not specifically this case. I'd imagine if they feel legally he was at fault for the deaths, but there was also a level of self defense, it may become manslaughter. Like if his illegal (assuming they determine them as such) actions led to the self defense, even if it was self defense, he may be liable for the death. Again, I don't know the laws or details that well, so it's kind of just brain spewage for me.

[CountValentine]

What a complete moron but not unexpected for that area. How many other jurors feel the same way but are in the closet?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-trial-juror-removed-over-joke-about-jacob-blake-shooting/ar-AAQjV8X?ocid=msedgntp

[as2]

What a complete moron but not unexpected for that area. How many other jurors feel the same way but are in the closet?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-trial-juror-removed-over-joke-about-jacob-blake-shooting/ar-AAQjV8X?ocid=msedgntp

I think it's a huge issue with any politically controversial case. I don't think any group will be unbiased, which is why in these type of cases it's probably better to get a split of people who ARE biased as opposed to a group of people who supposedly aren't.

[CountValentine]

I think it's a huge issue with any politically controversial case. I don't think any group will be unbiased, which is why in these type of cases it's probably better to get a split of people who ARE biased as opposed to a group of people who supposedly aren't.

Any juror that looks at this as a political case should be disqualified.

[as2]

Any juror that looks at this as a political case should be disqualified.

Correct, but you'd need them to admit that, or be conscious of it, to weed them out. I don't think that's possible.

[CountValentine]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fbi-aerial-surveillance-video-shows-never-before-seen-actions-before-kyle-rittenhouse-shot-unarmed-man/ar-AAQhblp?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

[yuneeq]

From what I watched, I believe he was acting reasonably in self-defense. I would also point out that each individual attacking or chasing Rittenhouse should be looked in the context of being part of a mob. If a mob is coming after someone, there's no proportionally reasonable response to each individual. If any of them die that's on them.

Similarly - if a mob attacks attacks someone driving, hit the gas and run everyone over. It doesn't matter if the driver kills someone who is just standing in front of the car and not the one swinging a bat.

[as2]

From what I watched, I believe he was acting reasonably in self-defense. I would also point out that each individual attacking or chasing Rittenhouse should be looked in the context of being part of a mob. If a mob is coming after someone, there's no proportionally reasonable response to each individual. If any of them die that's on them.

Similarly - if a mob attacks attacks someone driving, hit the gas and run everyone over. It doesn't matter if the driver kills someone who is just standing in front of the car and not the one swinging a bat.

Is that the law? I genuinely don't know, but it does sound logical.

[yuneeq]

Is that the law? I genuinely don't know, but it does sound logical.

No idea honestly. Just what I feel is right.

[as2]

No idea honestly. Just what I feel is right.

I do recall something along these lines coming out in that case of the guy who was attacked by motorcyclists on the highway and ended up running a bunch over.

[Dan]

What a complete moron but not unexpected for that area. How many other jurors feel the same way but are in the closet?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-trial-juror-removed-over-joke-about-jacob-blake-shooting/ar-AAQjV8X?ocid=msedgntp

Probably wanted to get DQd.

[CountValentine]

I would also point out that each individual attacking or chasing Rittenhouse should be looked in the context of being part of a mob.

Let me get this straight. You see a Rambo style kid shoot someone with an AR-15. You then chase the kid to try and apprehend him and that makes you part of a mob?

[yuneeq]

Let me get this straight. You see a Rambo style kid shoot someone with an AR-15. You then chase the kid to try and apprehend him and that makes you part of a mob?

If you saw the first shooting - you’d see it was in self defense. If you didn’t see it, then you’re making assumptions. Now if there’s a dozen people swarming him, you’re absolutely part of a mob. You worried about your safety then don’t apprehend him. It’s not your job.

[CountValentine]

If you saw the first shooting - you’d see it was in self defense. If you didn’t see it, then you’re making assumptions. Now if there’s a dozen people swarming him, you’re absolutely part of a mob. You worried about your safety then don’t apprehend him. It’s not your job.

I seen the first shooting. I don't know if a guy throwing a bag at you is self-defense. That is what the trial is about and the second shooting.

If it is your job does not matter. You have a right to try and stop someone you feel just shot an unarmed person.

Also if want to pull it is not your job are you willing to apply that to the defendant?

[aygart]

If you saw the first shooting - you’d see it was in self defense. If you didn’t see it, then you’re making assumptions. Now if there’s a dozen people swarming him, you’re absolutely part of a mob. You worried about your safety then don’t apprehend him. It’s not your job.

I mean the guy just shot a person

[CountValentine]

Probably wanted to get DQd.

I sure hope that is the reason but the optics just reinforce what many are saying.

[zh cohen]

I don't know if a guy throwing a bag at you is self-defense.

What about a guy "lunging" at you and reaching for your gun (after having said "I'm going to *$&# kill you if I catch you alone").

The prosecution presented testimony that this is what happened.

[CountValentine]

What about a guy "lunging" at you and reaching for your gun (after having said "I'm going to *$&# kill you if I catch you alone").

The prosecution presented testimony that this is what happened.

I am confused, who said what when?

[zh cohen]

I am confused, who said what when?

The prosecution brought a witness who testified that earlier in the night, Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse if he caught him alone.

They also brought a witness that said Rosenbaum was lunging for Rittenhouse's gun before he was shot.