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Guilty or not guilty?

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2021, 12:41:54 PM »
100%. I guess we'll see if that's how this plays out or now, and why.
You mention manslaughter. I wonder if that is on the table.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2021, 12:50:22 PM »
You mention manslaughter. I wonder if that is on the table.
I meant it more in the general sense, not specifically this case. I'd imagine if they feel legally he was at fault for the deaths, but there was also a level of self defense, it may become manslaughter. Like if his illegal (assuming they determine them as such) actions led to the self defense, even if it was self defense, he may be liable for the death. Again, I don't know the laws or details that well, so it's kind of just brain spewage for me.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2021, 12:54:47 PM »
What a complete moron but not unexpected for that area. How many other jurors feel the same way but are in the closet?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-trial-juror-removed-over-joke-about-jacob-blake-shooting/ar-AAQjV8X?ocid=msedgntp
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2021, 01:00:46 PM »
What a complete moron but not unexpected for that area. How many other jurors feel the same way but are in the closet?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-trial-juror-removed-over-joke-about-jacob-blake-shooting/ar-AAQjV8X?ocid=msedgntp
I think it's a huge issue with any politically controversial case. I don't think any group will be unbiased, which is why in these type of cases it's probably better to get a split of people who ARE biased as opposed to a group of people who supposedly aren't.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #24 on: November 04, 2021, 01:04:10 PM »
I think it's a huge issue with any politically controversial case. I don't think any group will be unbiased, which is why in these type of cases it's probably better to get a split of people who ARE biased as opposed to a group of people who supposedly aren't.
Any juror that looks at this as a political case should be disqualified.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #25 on: November 04, 2021, 01:06:27 PM »
Any juror that looks at this as a political case should be disqualified.
Correct, but you'd need them to admit that, or be conscious of it, to weed them out. I don't think that's possible.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2021, 02:33:50 PM »
From what I watched, I believe he was acting reasonably in self-defense. I would also point out that each individual attacking or chasing Rittenhouse should be looked in the context of being part of a mob. If a mob is coming after someone, there's no proportionally reasonable response to each individual. If any of them die that's on them.

Similarly - if a mob attacks attacks someone driving, hit the gas and run everyone over. It doesn't matter if the driver kills someone who is just standing in front of the car and not the one swinging a bat.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2021, 02:35:35 PM »
From what I watched, I believe he was acting reasonably in self-defense. I would also point out that each individual attacking or chasing Rittenhouse should be looked in the context of being part of a mob. If a mob is coming after someone, there's no proportionally reasonable response to each individual. If any of them die that's on them.

Similarly - if a mob attacks attacks someone driving, hit the gas and run everyone over. It doesn't matter if the driver kills someone who is just standing in front of the car and not the one swinging a bat.
Is that the law? I genuinely don't know, but it does sound logical.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2021, 02:36:57 PM »
Is that the law? I genuinely don't know, but it does sound logical.

No idea honestly. Just what I feel is right.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2021, 02:39:57 PM »
No idea honestly. Just what I feel is right.
I do recall something along these lines coming out in that case of the guy who was attacked by motorcyclists on the highway and ended up running a bunch over.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2021, 03:39:51 PM »
What a complete moron but not unexpected for that area. How many other jurors feel the same way but are in the closet?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/rittenhouse-trial-juror-removed-over-joke-about-jacob-blake-shooting/ar-AAQjV8X?ocid=msedgntp
Probably wanted to get DQd.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2021, 04:15:20 PM »
I would also point out that each individual attacking or chasing Rittenhouse should be looked in the context of being part of a mob.
Let me get this straight. You see a Rambo style kid shoot someone with an AR-15. You then chase the kid to try and apprehend him and that makes you part of a mob?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2021, 04:54:31 PM »
Let me get this straight. You see a Rambo style kid shoot someone with an AR-15. You then chase the kid to try and apprehend him and that makes you part of a mob?

If you saw the first shooting - youíd see it was in self defense. If you didnít see it, then youíre making assumptions. Now if thereís a dozen people swarming him, youíre absolutely part of a mob. You worried about your safety then donít apprehend him. Itís not your job.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2021, 05:02:57 PM »
If you saw the first shooting - youíd see it was in self defense. If you didnít see it, then youíre making assumptions. Now if thereís a dozen people swarming him, youíre absolutely part of a mob. You worried about your safety then donít apprehend him. Itís not your job.
I seen the first shooting. I don't know if a guy throwing a bag at you is self-defense. That is what the trial is about and the second shooting.

If it is your job does not matter. You have a right to try and stop someone you feel just shot an unarmed person.

Also if want to pull it is not your job are you willing to apply that to the defendant?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2021, 05:03:39 PM »
If you saw the first shooting - youíd see it was in self defense. If you didnít see it, then youíre making assumptions. Now if thereís a dozen people swarming him, youíre absolutely part of a mob. You worried about your safety then donít apprehend him. Itís not your job.
I mean the guy just shot a person
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2021, 05:17:12 PM »
Probably wanted to get DQd.
I sure hope that is the reason but the optics just reinforce what many are saying.
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2021, 05:36:54 PM »
I don't know if a guy throwing a bag at you is self-defense.

What about a guy "lunging" at you and reaching for your gun (after having said "I'm going to *$&# kill you if I catch you alone").

The prosecution presented testimony that this is what happened.

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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2021, 05:47:24 PM »
What about a guy "lunging" at you and reaching for your gun (after having said "I'm going to *$&# kill you if I catch you alone").

The prosecution presented testimony that this is what happened.
I am confused, who said what when?
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Re: Kyle Rittenhouse - guilty or not guilty?
« Reply #39 on: November 07, 2021, 06:02:14 AM »
I am confused, who said what when?

The prosecution brought a witness who testified that earlier in the night, Rosenbaum threatened to kill Rittenhouse if he caught him alone.

They also brought a witness that said Rosenbaum was lunging for Rittenhouse's gun before he was shot.