Frum anti-vax campaigns funding source

[etech0]

If I don't see a benefit all I see is ill intent

Does it make a difference if it's the government's intent, or if it's purely a financial decision of an employer who would rather not need to search for new employees?

[Alexsei]

Does it make a difference if it's the government's intent, or if it's purely a financial decision of an employer who would rather not need to search for new employees?

אין המשל דומה לנמשל

[S209]

Does it make a difference if it's the government's intent, or if it's purely a financial decision of an employer who would rather not need to search for new employees?

The entire mindset is literally predicated on a conspiracy theorist mindset:

“If they have to pay me for it, it must be bad for me”.

There is no answer for that. You’re too far gone.

[S209]

Yup, if I'm not vaccinated at this point I must be irrational

Explain? I don’t remember saying that (although I don’t necessarily disagree).

[Alexsei]

Explain?

Any rational person would've taken it by now, what's your leftover with by now are the irrationals and money won't do for them

[S209]

Any rational person would've taken it by now

Is that what you truly believe? Why is that? Are you saying the “good” automatically supersedes the “bad” in all cases with no exceptions? Absolutist statements are dangerous.

[Alexsei]

Is that what you truly believe?

By your definition of rational yes, we irrationals have our own definition of rational

[Yehuda57]

I think he's saying that the money should be added to the "benefit" column, and at some price point would outweigh the (perceived) cost.

He stealth edited his post while I was typing.

[Alexsei]

In any case I don't think this was the direction you wanted this thread to head to, but if it is feel free to go on

[S209]

what's your leftover with by now are the irrationals and money won't do for them

Strong disagreement here. Many (most?) people who aren’t vaccinated in my community are driven primarily by vague unfounded fears and an attitude of “what’s the point?”. They feel that taking even what may be a small risk (and they don’t actually know the numbers, only the FUD) for no benefit is foolish. As the letter out of Lakewood stated, the primary reason not to take it was “shev v’al taaseh adif”. If they were incentivized, at the right price the great majority would be lining up to get vaxxed.

My own brother-in-law told me the day CHEMED offers $100 for a shot he’ll be there before closing.

[S209]

How did you get that? He's saying the exact opposite. He's being purely rational and not allowing money to influence the decision

He stealth edited his post while I was typing.

I added an explainer. It’s not “purely rational” to disregard money as an incentive. Money is the most common incentive used to persuade action, everywhere and in every field. This is quite basic.

[Alexsei]

I said what I said and I repeat money will not make me take it if I have any reason or justification to take it I will take it without money if I don't money won't convince me to take it.

And the point I'm trying to make is that if there is any campaign trying to change the mind of these people for most money won't do.

And by this I'm not even talking about the anti negative concerns such as side effects bla bla bla, I'm at a point where I have yet to see the benefits.

I live in Quebec and our restrictions are basically at square one, the 60+ population is 90% double jabbed and the rest are at 80%+ mask mandates never went away even for a day, our schools are closed, teleworking mandatory and the premier is said to close all dine in + impose a nightime curfew starting tomorrow.

If you travel out by plane or back to the country by any means you still need to provide a negative PCR test, and the officer can still quarantine you if he so wishes.

Public spaces still have capacity restrictions and for now restaurants and bars must close by 10pm (might change tomorrow as per above)

The shopping carts are still sanitized and it's still illegal (/s) to sneeze in public.

I hear your point, and I think they are rational, for me it's when the above is gone that I'll take it for a chulent, that's when my dumb head will realize that it is working (or that it's not)

For now I don't even see a collective benefit, the proportion of cases amongst the vaccinated in Canada is higher than their proportion of the population

[S209]

I hear your point, and I think they are rational, for me it's when the above is gone that I'll take it for a chulent, that's when my dumb head will realize that it is working (or that it's not)

For now I don't even see a collective benefit, the proportion of cases amongst the vaccinated in Canada is higher than their proportion of the population

It’s true that Omicron probably somewhat decreases the case for vaccination.

[Alexsei]

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[WonderingYid]

The more government is involved the more distrust there is.

+100. The more $ offered the more distrust. Along with not letting people get HQ and the cures that work.

[Alexsei]

+100. The more $ offered the more distrust. Along with not letting people get HQ and the cures that work.

and offering remdeathisnear

[WonderingYid]

Interesting, so you’re saying you’re completely irrational about vaccines? Even if you believe that the risk-reward ratio isn’t strong enough to favor taking the vaccine, surely enough money would shift the equation.

Unless you’re so deep down the rabbit hole that you believe every lie ever told.

Just the covid one to be honest.

[aygart]

Along with not letting people get HQ and the cures that work.

Yup we should let every yoyo make up his own medical protocol and force it down the hospital's throat.

[WonderingYid]

Yup we should let every yoyo make up his own medical protocol and force it down the hospital's throat.

Yoyo? I'm referring to doctors who prescribed it to their patients and CVS refused to fill it.

[mgarfin]

Yup we should let every yoyo make up his own medical protocol and force it down the hospital's throat.

Taking Dr. Zlencos's cocktail (without any study) is the right thing to do. But the vaccine I herd him call the "Poison Death Shot"