Author Topic: Is It Ethical? (Read 581434 times)

GCs may be against T&C for this credit, but I never ask them to give me the credit for this purchase. I am making an actual, authentic purchase - yes, with the hopes that Amex will refund it. It is their choice to go ahead and refund that purchase against their own T&C. I never asked them to do it, and if they don't my purchase will still be the same. Obviously, I am still manipulating the system by purchasing gcs that I know others have gotten credit for, but it is still different than making a non-purchase to try and trigger a refund IMHO. Feel free to disagree!

very shallow argument, nothing to do with ethics, which word in your entire post does not apply to both gc and pggm alike if anything gc is explicitly excluded as apposed to pggm (afaik), what does ending up with a product in hand have to do with making it more ethical

Ergel · « **Reply #1550 on:** January 05, 2015, 07:01:05 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on January 05, 2015, 06:20:52 PM

Nothing wrong with saying it the problem is when someone believes it.

I'm not saying either is OK. The question is which is more ethical. And that question becomes relevant if you would die unless you stole who do you steal from

bigbadmoish · « **Reply #1551 on:** January 06, 2015, 07:59:53 PM »

Quote from: cholent on January 05, 2015, 04:35:18 PM

Re: PGGM vs. gcs for Amex $200 airline credit:

PGGM is a purchase that I never intended to go through with, made just to trigger the credit.

GCs may be against T&C for this credit, but I never ask them to give me the credit for this purchase. I am making an actual, authentic purchase - yes, with the hopes that Amex will refund it. It is their choice to go ahead and refund that purchase against their own T&C. I never asked them to do it, and if they don't my purchase will still be the same. Obviously, I am still manipulating the system by purchasing gcs that I know others have gotten credit for, but it is still different than making a non-purchase to try and trigger a refund IMHO. Feel free to disagree!

IMHO i dont see anything unethical with PGGM... AMEX is willing to write you a check for $200, from what i understand you can book the ticket with another CC and just the EC upgrade with AMEX. if this is true then AMEX doesnt stand to gain anything by you actually receiving the EC seat or not. even if im wrong about the upgrade there are plenty of things you can purchase (in flight snacks etc) that wouldnt require you to spend additional money on AMEX card. so i dont really see a reason why they lose out with this method...

lunatic · « **Reply #1552 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:32:44 PM »

Have we considered that perhaps the airlines are eating the cost not amex?

bigbadmoish · « **Reply #1553 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:43:30 PM »

Quote from: lunatic on January 06, 2015, 08:32:44 PM

Have we considered that perhaps the airlines are eating the cost not amex?

no we havee not. Please explain how the airline loses.

Sport · « **Reply #1554 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:44:10 PM »

Quote from: bigbadmoish on January 06, 2015, 07:59:53 PM

IMHO i dont see anything unethical with PGGM... AMEX is willing to write you a check for $200, from what i understand you can book the ticket with another CC and just the EC upgrade with AMEX. if this is true then AMEX doesnt stand to gain anything by you actually receiving the EC seat or not. even if im wrong about the upgrade there are plenty of things you can purchase (in flight snacks etc) that wouldnt require you to spend additional money on AMEX card. so i dont really see a reason why they lose out with this method...

huh? I don't claim to know their reasoning, but according to your reasoning why does Amex limit the statement credit at all. Why don't they just give you a $200 credit on any purchases?

bigbadmoish · « **Reply #1555 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:50:24 PM »

Quote from: Sport on January 06, 2015, 08:44:10 PM

huh? I don't claim to know their reasoning, but according to your reasoning why does Amex limit the statement credit at all. Why don't they just give you a $200 credit on any purchases?

they have a right to limit the credit in any way they deem fit. As long as they don't lose out I don't see a problem ethically.

Sport · « **Reply #1556 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:55:04 PM »

Quote from: bigbadmoish on January 06, 2015, 08:50:24 PM

they have a right to limit the credit in any way they deem fit. As long as they don't lose out I don't see a problem ethically.

and by limiting the credit that makes me suspect that they believe there is something to gain, Which pggm is causing them to not realize.

bigbadmoish · « **Reply #1557 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:57:51 PM »

Quote from: Sport on January 06, 2015, 08:55:04 PM

and by limiting the credit that makes me suspect that they believe there is something to gain, Which pggm is causing them to not realize.

lav davka.... What do they gain by making you select an airline 1st?? A lot of T&C are just minimize the application of the credit or discount etc... I don't understand how they could lose. If I knew that they did lose I would send them a check tonight. And of course cancel the card

lunatic · « **Reply #1558 on:** January 06, 2015, 08:59:43 PM »

Quote from: bigbadmoish on January 06, 2015, 08:43:30 PM

no we havee not. Please explain how the airline loses.

I don't know, but it is certainly possible that the airline absorbs the loss, or at least part of it

bigbadmoish · « **Reply #1559 on:** January 06, 2015, 10:21:52 PM »

Quote from: lunatic on January 06, 2015, 08:59:43 PM

I don't know, but it is certainly possible that the airline absorbs the loss, or at least part of it

anything is POSSIBLE... Anyone to confirm one way or another? I would PUTPAC... Unless you think a DDFer would kill me in my sleep (or at least try)

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