I think we are going around in circles here. Let's recap and maybe we will be able to come to some common agreement...
CV and the boyz were having a disagreement about whether LGBTQ+ activity is immoral or not.
Shmueli: LGBTQ+ is immoral.
CV: No, it's super moral.
Shmueli: Well, who defines what's moral or not? I say God does, and God says LGBTQ+ is immoral
CV: Well what about if you're atheist?
Shmueli: IDK. That's what I was asking you! How do you define morality if not based on the word of God?
CV: Who's God?