FBI Raids Mar A Lago

[Yehuda57]

Of course not!! You don’t lose the freedom to travel without a pen.

This is fake news. I keep pens in my backpacks and carry-ons due to the times I've been stuck in the airport needing to fill out forms and not being able to find a pen.

[zh cohen]

Of course not!! You don’t lose the freedom to travel without a pen.

Taking a pen would be a infringe on religious liberty, a violation of the commandment "השמר לך פן".

[Yehuda57]

Trump does not own any pens, the only things the Feds found were boxes of gold sharpies

[zh cohen]

Ahh you are picking on the word stolen. LOL. So petty.

Was the seizure of the passports authorized by the search warrant? IINAL, but based on my reading of the warrant the only way they would be is if they were stored together with things that they were authorized to take.

If not, why would this not be considered "stolen"?

[aygart]

You are the one reporting they were stolen.

Where?

[CountValentine]

Where?

You keep posting the media account. You reported the media said...

[aygart]

You keep posting the media account. You reported the media said...

But where did I report it was stolen?

[CountValentine]

But where did I report it was stolen?

Wait, so they weren't stolen?
You tried to pass off the media account as if the FBI said it and I called you out on it.

[aygart]

Wait, so they weren't stolen?
You tried to pass off the media account as if the FBI said it and I called you out on it.

That they had it. The only ones who said stolen were Trump and you.

[S209]

...or the source could be mistaken thinking if it isn't listed then they don't have it. My point from the beginning is you have no statement from the DOJ/FBI on this. Do you really want to use what the media reports as official statements from the FBI/DOJ?

You have claimed in the past that Trump made derogatory statements about US soldiers based solely on an anonymous source quoted in the press. Were you lying then?

[CountValentine]

That they had it. The only ones who said stolen were Trump and you.

As we ended the other thread by both agreeing the Muller investigation was not a hoax let's see if we can do the same here.

There is no evidence that anything was stolen, including passports. The DOJ/FBI never released any statement claiming they didn't have the passports. Can we agree on those two things and end this?

[aygart]

As we ended the other thread by both agreeing the Muller investigation was not a hoax let's see if we can do the same here.

There is no evidence that anything was stolen, including passports. The DOJ/FBI never released any statement claiming they didn't have the passports. Can we agree on those two things and end this?

Fine

I will even agree that it is summer now if you want.

[CountValentine]

You have claimed in the past that Trump made derogatory statements about US soldiers based solely on an anonymous source quoted in the press. Were you lying then?

Actually he made derogatory statements about our brave soldiers on live TV. There are also direct quotes from others about his derogatory statements about the military. Nothing anonymous there.

[CountValentine]

Fine

You just want to play your silly games. 

[S209]

Actually he made derogatory statements about our brave soldiers on live TV. There are also direct quotes from others about his derogatory statements about the military. Nothing anonymous there.

Source? I didn’t know that.

[S209]

As we ended the other thread by both agreeing the Muller investigation was not a hoax let's see if we can do the same here.

There is no evidence that anything was stolen, including passports. The DOJ/FBI never released any statement claiming they didn't have the passports. Can we agree on those two things and end this?

BUT

Trump claimed the DOJ wrongfully took his passports. CBS quoted a DOJ official seemingly denying that. It appears that the quoted official was lying and Trump’s passports were indeed wrongfully seized. Furthermore, there is indeed evidence from an email that the passports were stolen (as wrongfully seizing = stealing).

Can we agree on that and end this?

Illegally seizing an ex-President’s diplomatic passports isn’t like taking a pen or paper clip. It’s likely a prosecutable offense.

[CountValentine]

Source? I didn’t know that.

You are joking, I hope. He called those who get captured losers including war hero John McCain.

[S209]

You are joking, I hope. He called those who get captured losers including war hero John McCain.

You’re right, he did say that about McCain. That was very wrong of him.

[CountValentine]

You’re right, he did say that about McCain. That was very wrong of him.

To set the record right the word "loser" was referring to his WH run but he still made the derogatory statement about McCain being captured.

[CountValentine]

BUT

Trump claimed the DOJ wrongfully took his passports. CBS quoted a DOJ official seemingly denying that. It appears that the quoted official was lying and Trump’s passports were indeed wrongfully seized. Furthermore, there is indeed evidence from an email that the passports were stolen (as wrongfully seizing = stealing).

Can we agree on that and end this?

Illegally seizing an ex-President’s diplomatic passports isn’t like taking a pen or paper clip. It’s likely a prosecutable offense.

There is no evidence the passports were stolen. The DOJ/FBI did not comment on the situation at all. We seem to have many experts here on what the search warrant did and didn't cover. At this point the only side caught in lies several times is the Trump side.