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Author Topic: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?  (Read 81437 times)

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #140 on: November 21, 2014, 09:24:43 AM »
but my chances go up to 30 percent on appeal.

Maybe a regular appeal, not with these NYC ganovim

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #141 on: November 21, 2014, 09:43:21 AM »
Post it here?

The respondent has been charged with violating Section 1180-b of the Vehicle and Traffic Law, by failing to comply with the maximum

speed limits in a school speed zone. Respondent claims "This ticket should be dismissed because there is insufficient evidence

supporting conviction. The statute states: " (b) If the city of New York establishes a demonstration program pursuant to
subdivision (a) of this section, the owner of a vehicle shall be liable for a penalty imposed pursuant to this section if such vehicle

was used or operated with the permission of the owner, express or implied, within a school speed zone..." Section 1180-b(b). The

pictures taken by the camera do not evidence who was driving my car, nor that it was being used with either my express or implied

permission. Thus, the elements required for conviction are not proven, or indeed even alleged. Second, and in the alternative, there is

not even an allegation that this incident was within " one thousand three hundred twenty feet on a highway passing a school

building, entrance or exit of a school abutting on the highway," as required by the statute in the definition of "school speed zone." Thus

a second element required for conviction is not proven or even alleged. For the above two reasons, I respectfully request dismissal."

As registrant respondent is liable for acts of agents using vehicle with permission at time of NOl. The claim "nor that it was being used

with either my express or implied permission" is not persuasive. No claim offered of an actual unauthorized vehicle use or vehicle theft

at time of NOl. No claim that a police report was filed. Respondent does not deny that the operator had the keys at time of NOl.

Respondent claims " Second, and in the alternative, there is not even an allegation that this incident was within " one thousand three

hundred twenty feet on a highway passing a school building, entrance or exit of a school abutting on the highway," as required by

the statute in the definition of "school speed zone." Thus a second element required for conviction is not proven or even alleged. For

the above two reasons, I respectfully request dismissal." The speed camera regulation remains in effect for one hour before and one

hour after the school day, as well as during student activities, and up to 30 minutes immediately before and after such activities.

Official records indicate a school at Nol location ie Middle School for Arts and Philosophy. It is not persuasive establish that the

regulation was not in effect at the precise date/time/place of NOL issuance.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #142 on: November 21, 2014, 09:45:49 AM »
My commentary:

On the first claim, they are correct, as I noted above that there is a presumption. However, they do not understand that, and do not respond that there is a presumption--they just assume the presumption and say I didn't claim theft.

On the second claim, they are just stam idiots.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #143 on: November 21, 2014, 09:57:07 AM »

And of course the ruling is in terrible grammar and almost not understandable.
And when I said that these people are just lowlifes. They did not attend law school.. They were just hired by the Dept Of Finance to find 95% of the people guilty (otherwise they get fired) Everyone was laughing from me.
You can say what you think when you think what you say.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #144 on: November 21, 2014, 10:21:46 AM »
I'm pretty sure the judges sit there and make stuff up

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #145 on: November 21, 2014, 02:20:25 PM »
But henche I'm really starting to think you enjoy getting these tickets

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #146 on: November 21, 2014, 02:27:17 PM »
But henche I'm really starting to think you enjoy getting these tickets
Do you think henche gets these purposefully?

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #147 on: November 21, 2014, 03:01:22 PM »
lol

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #148 on: November 23, 2014, 08:44:04 AM »
Do you think henche gets these purposefully?
Gives him something to think about and something to do on the forum all day
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #149 on: November 23, 2014, 08:44:38 AM »
Gives him something to think about and something to do on the forum all day
Well, I have a ticket to fight.. I will pm him

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #150 on: November 23, 2014, 08:45:25 AM »
Well, I have a ticket to fight.. I will pm him
With all this experience...
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #151 on: November 23, 2014, 09:53:00 PM »
Just a little tip for those who may not be familiar: If you move your car for alternate side parking to the other side of the street (i.e. if you double park on the other side), and you are not sure if you'll be back exactly on the minute to move your vehicle back to the other side - than better don't move it at all.
Reason being, the cost of a ticket for double parking, is a heck lot more than for parking during street cleaning.

I came several minutes late recently, and was hit with a ticket of $115. I ran to the car, and arrived just as the pig started writing the ticket. But he refused to budge.
The last ticket I got for street cleaning was a mere $45 IIRC.

Just sayin' ...

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #152 on: November 30, 2014, 02:23:10 AM »
Got an alternate side parking ticket. Cop mistakenly wrote cleaning time ends 12:20 instead of 12:30. Would this make the ticket defective?

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #153 on: November 30, 2014, 02:49:58 AM »
Got an alternate side parking ticket. Cop mistakenly wrote cleaning time ends 12:20 instead of 12:30. Would this make the ticket defective?
was ticket given after 12:20
I wonder what people who type "u" instead of "you" do with all their free time.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #154 on: November 30, 2014, 09:14:59 AM »
was ticket given after 12:20

why should it make a difference? clearly they will be able to look up and see that the alternate side ended at 12:30 and then say he was in violation. Welcome to guilty until declared guilty.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #155 on: November 30, 2014, 11:04:16 AM »
was ticket given after 12:20
No, way before.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #156 on: November 30, 2014, 11:12:35 AM »
No, way before.

I would argue that the agent was obviously not good with time, and miswrote what time you were there also.

But you'll lose.

but it's worth the shot.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #157 on: November 30, 2014, 06:02:41 PM »

But you'll lose.

but it's worth the shot.
Nah, If it doesn't make the ticket defective, I'd just send it to Parking Expert where I have a 50/50 chance of getting it dismissed, and pay them half the ticket price.

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #158 on: December 02, 2014, 07:01:52 PM »
Got an alternate side parking ticket. Cop mistakenly wrote cleaning time ends 12:20 instead of 12:30. Would this make the ticket defective?
Anyone think the wrong time makes the ticket defective?

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Re: How to beat Alternate Side/street cleaning ticket in NY?
« Reply #159 on: December 28, 2014, 04:51:13 PM »
I'm trying the color claim again.  There was really nothing better for this one.

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The ticket states that it was given to a blue car, but my car is green, as noted on its registration.  The ticket was given during the day, and 12/26 was a sunny day, so it is not plausible that the officer couldn't see the color well.

I think the most plausible explanation is that the officer was intending to ticket the car in front of or behind mine, and was confused between the two cars, and accidentally put in some information from my car and some from the other car, and left the ticket on mine. 

Can you please ask the officer if that is what happened? I'm sure he or she will agree.