Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread

[robi]

@Robi at this time a complication has arose and I don't recommend this product. I will keep you posted as I hope it is resolved.

thnx

[Ebaystores]

np, I hope the status on it changes.

[yuneeq]

I know there has been talk of starting a Kashrus Master Thread. I searched and couldn't find a thread dedicated to Kashrus. I choose GD over JS to keep this thread civil and informative.

I have a question about a Kashrus orginization in Mexico called ka-kosher, link to their website. See below for a picture of their stamp/seal. It says on the website that the Rav Hamachshir is R' Chaim Cohen, a graduate of BMG and used to work for the OK. HAs anyone heard of him/them? Are they reliable?

I asked my friend from Mexico today about the Hechsherim there.

He says that there are basically 2 Hechsherim that are trusted, KMD which is approved by Star-K and is the Hechsher of the Syrian community ie; the majority of religious Jews living there. The second one he mentioned is the אא Hechsher from the Ashkenazi community.  When I looked again at the logo I figured he meant the one posted on this page. After some searching though, I found this page that has info of a different Hechsher that also uses the אא symbol, also known as the Orthodox Vaad Ha Kashrus of the Ashkenazi Kehila in Mexico. I am sure my friend was referring to the KVאא Hechsher, and not KA Kosher.

I made this post a little lengthy as some may mistake one Mexican אא Hechsher for another.

[Drago]

FYI for what ever its worth.
Our Rav gave a drasha in shul this past shabbos here in Israel.

He said that the shmura matza with the Eida Chareidis Badatz hechsher he bought last year had a bunch of matza kefulos, and some other issues. When he called them up, they said that he had to read their kashrus handbook which said that all the matzos have to be checked, even if they have have their hechsher on it. So he said to not trust a product simply due to the hechser on it.

He also said that he met with a group of them to ask questions, and he asked about relying on the rabbanut hechsher for fruits and veggies. He was told that "Since we are from the Eida Chareidis, we can't tell you that you can rely on their hechsher, even though you are allowed to rely on their hechsher."     (approx quote since I couldn't write it down on shabbos)

[yuneeq]

He also said that he met with a group of them to ask questions, and he asked about relying on the rabbanut hechsher for fruits and veggies. He was told that "Since we are from the Eida Chareidis, we can't tell you that you can rely on their hechsher, even though you are allowed to rely on their hechsher."     (approx quote since I couldn't write it down on shabbos)

Welcome to Israel.

And welcome to realizing that the Eida Chareidis was always one big facade, pretending like they are so Machmir that they won't touch anything from any other Hechsher.

And B"H for realizing the fact that they aren't Machmir every. single. chumra. as they pretend to be.

[Drago]

Welcome to Israel.

And welcome to realizing that the Eida Chareidis was always one big facade, pretending like they are so Machmir that they won't touch anything from any other Hechsher.

And B"H for realizing the fact that they aren't Machmir every. single. chumra. as they pretend to be.

JKN had a great story about this around 2 yrs ago w/ regards to a bakery under their hechsher that was buying things from a 'lower' hechsher when they had to cater but didn't have enough supplies.
True achdus...

[yuneeq]

JKN had a great story about this around 2 yrs ago w/ regards to a bakery under their hechsher that was buying things from a 'lower' hechsher when they had to cater but didn't have enough supplies.
True achdus...

Someone should investigate why the Eida chickens cost DOUBLE the other Mehadrin Hechsherim.

You would think they slaughter chickens that lay golden eggs. 

[Drago]

Someone should investigate why the Eida chickens cost DOUBLE the other Mehadrin Hechsherim.

You would think they slaughter chickens that lay golden eggs. 

It's b/c their customers can afford it, so they charge it.

[yuneeq]

It's b/c their customers can afford it, so they charge it.

There's no greater feeling than the feeling of cashing in on others' stupidity! 

[Chaikel]

He also said that he met with a group of them to ask questions, and he asked about relying on the rabbanut hechsher for fruits and veggies. He was told that "Since we are from the Eida Chareidis, we can't tell you that you can rely on their hechsher, even though you are allowed to rely on their hechsher."     (approx quote since I couldn't write it down on shabbos)

You sure this wasn't about Rebanut Mehadrin? Cause I heard specifically that there are issue with Rabbanut T&M

[yuneeq]

You sure this wasn't about Rebanut Mehadrin? Cause I heard specifically that there are issue with Rabbanut T&M

There is almost no difference at all between Rabbanut and Rabbanut Mehadrin (Jerusalem) when it comes to fruits and vegetables. The only difference is that regular Rabbanut sells papaya and two other random fruits that are safeik orla. This is what I heard from R' Shlessinger (head of Jerusalem Rabbinate), I may have a recording of it.

Therefore, if you trust the Mehadrin, you trust regular Rabbanut too

[Chaikel]

There is almost no difference at all between Rabbanut and Rabbanut Mehadrin (Jerusalem) when it comes to fruits and vegetables. The only difference is that regular Rabbanut sells papaya and two other random fruits that are safeik orla. This is what I heard from R' Shlessinger (head of Jerusalem Rabbinate), I may have a recording of it.

Therefore, if you trust the Mehadrin, you trust regular Rabbanut too

I don't, but I was told specifically about Rabanut that they only maaser the stuff that comes into the shuk in the morning, and they don't even look at the stuff that comes in afterwards. If you're saying that RH is the same, then that goes to show you just how bad RH really is.

Is this recording from the speech at Senters?

[yuneeq]

I don't, but I was told specifically about Rabanut that they only maaser the stuff that comes into the shuk in the morning, and they don't even look at the stuff that comes in afterwards. If you're saying that RH is the same, then that goes to show you just how bad RH really is.

Is this recording from the speech at Senters?

They maaser everything that comes into Jerusalem at the fields or at the distribution centers, I don't remember exactly which.

The class was at the OU center a couple months back.

What's RH?

[Chaikel]

They maaser everything that comes into Jerusalem at the fields or at the distribution centers, I don't remember exactly which.

The class was at the OU center a couple months back.

What's RH?

Sorry, meant Rabbanut Mehadrin

[yare]

Someone should investigate why the Eida chickens cost DOUBLE the other Mehadrin Hechsherim.

You would think they slaughter chickens that lay golden eggs. 

they throw out sfeikos that other hechsherim use.  hence, they jack up the price. 

i know eida bashing is a fad, but try to learn some facts before doing it, will make for better bashing

[Jkhein]

i know eida bashing is a fad,

I wonder why

[Drago]

they throw out sfeikos that other hechsherim use.  hence, they jack up the price. 

i know eida bashing is a fad, but try to learn some facts before doing it, will make for better bashing

Good point.
Although I would be interested in seeing the profit margins for each of the agencies to see if suspicions are correct.

[yuneeq]

they throw out sfeikos that other hechsherim use.  hence, they jack up the price. 

i know eida bashing is a fad, but try to learn some facts before doing it, will make for better bashing

All the Mehadrin hechsherim throw out the sfeikos. Only the Eida charges double.

Your post shows us how clueless you are about the Kashrus industry.

I would have some hope for you, but sadly enough, ignorance isn't a fad.

[RT]

According to the cRc it is recommended

There is a cRc app which is great! It has most of the symbols as well as recommended products..

[yuneeq]

There is a cRc app which is great! It has most of the symbols...

It has only the symbols that they approve of. Only Kashrus experts can see the 200 or so symbols that the cRc disapproves of or didn't approve yet.