Author Topic: Kosher, Kashrus and Hechsherim Master thread (Read 1492744 times)

A3 · « **Reply #80 on:** January 22, 2013, 09:19:58 PM »

Quote from: Ebaystores on January 22, 2013, 09:16:42 PM

Dan, The non reliable hashgacha's are quick to threaten to sue for defamatory statements. Therefore kashrus agencies will only publish a list of recommended hashgachas, although when asked about a non reputable agency they will reply "We don't recommend them"

Makes sense, when ever I send a Tweet to @cRcKosher asking about a certain hashgacha, if its acceptable they would write in on their main page, if they don't recommend it, they would only tell me that in a DM either either by saying we don't recommend them, or we have no further info on them

Ebaystores · « **Reply #81 on:** January 22, 2013, 09:31:34 PM »

In addition, some hashgachas are considered on a case to case basis. E.g. say rabbi x has an agency, he lives in North Dakota, Some major agencies may consider him knowledgeable in hashgacha, but since they don't know who he farms out inspections for plants he certifies in other states they may only accept products produced in North Dakota where they know he is the one visiting.

rufieg3 · « **Reply #82 on:** January 27, 2013, 12:30:53 AM »

anyone know what cupk hashgacha is? saw it at cinnabon and some ice cream store

yuneeq · « **Reply #83 on:** January 27, 2013, 07:59:01 AM »

Somewhat OT, but Kosher Mehadrin chicken in Israel is gonna be cheaper soon

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=154146

yuneeq · « **Reply #84 on:** January 27, 2013, 08:14:04 AM »

Quote from: rufieg3 on January 27, 2013, 12:30:53 AM

anyone know what cupk hashgacha is? saw it at cinnabon and some ice cream store

Seems to be unreliable based on the general consensus. R' Israel Steinberg is the head of the Hechsher, of which I have not read any good things. He certifies stores that are open on Shabbos, though that may be ok if it's non-Jewish owned.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/reliable-hashgacha

Drago · « **Reply #85 on:** February 12, 2013, 01:43:51 PM »

Quote from: Deal Guy on February 12, 2013, 01:13:55 AM

Can you eat the fruits in the room or lounge?

Ask your LOR about eating rabbanut fruit.
Mine quoted from a mtg with the Badatz that its okay to rely on the rabbanut fruit/veggies, but its not their official position.

yuneeq · « **Reply #86 on:** February 12, 2013, 02:02:06 PM »

Quote from: Drago on February 12, 2013, 01:43:51 PM

Ask your LOR about eating rabbanut fruit.
Mine quoted from a mtg with the Badatz that its okay to rely on the rabbanut fruit/veggies, but its not their official position.

Just to clarify, there is a difference between Rabbanut Jerusalem fruits/vegs and other Rabbinates. Your LOR may have been referring to specifically the Jerusalem rabbinate. The hotel is under rabbanut ein bokek.

moish · « **Reply #87 on:** February 12, 2013, 02:48:18 PM »

Quote from: Drago on February 12, 2013, 01:43:51 PM

Ask your LOR about eating rabbanut fruit.
Mine quoted from a mtg with the Badatz that its okay to rely on the rabbanut fruit/veggies, but its not their official position.

which badatz, badatz of gaza city? if the eida said such a thing, ill eat my hat

but i always appreciate your comments. you never cease to make me laugh

yuneeq · « **Reply #88 on:** February 12, 2013, 02:50:06 PM »

Quote from: moish on February 12, 2013, 02:48:18 PM

which badatz, badatz of gaza city? if the eida said such a thing, ill eat my hat

but i always appreciate your comments. you never cease to make me laugh

He's referring to the eida. And I agree with them in regards to Jerusalem rabbinate fruits.

Here's a fun fact: Eida relies on Rabbanut mashgichim in places such as matzot yehuda.

moish · « **Reply #89 on:** February 12, 2013, 02:55:39 PM »

do you really think the bedatz relies on rabanut trumos and maasros? is this official policy? does badatz allow their stores to use rabanut fruit?

what are you guys smoking? ill have some...

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #90 on:** February 12, 2013, 02:59:33 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 02:50:06 PM

He's referring to the eida. And I agree with them in regards to Jerusalem rabbinate fruits.

Here's a fun fact: Eida relies on ~~Rabbanut~~ mashgichim that also work for the rabbanut in places such as matzot yehuda.

FTFY

Very big difference

yuneeq · « **Reply #91 on:** February 12, 2013, 02:59:45 PM »

Quote from: moish on February 12, 2013, 02:55:39 PM

do you really think the bedatz relies on rabanut trumos and maasros? is this official policy? does badatz allow their stores to use rabanut fruit?

what are you guys smoking? ill have some...

They probably don't rely on them as an official policy, but its not a stretch to say that they know in reality rabbanut Jerusalem fruits are ok.

I'm smoking rabbanut weed, so you're gonna have to sit this one out

yuneeq · « **Reply #92 on:** February 12, 2013, 03:01:47 PM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2013, 02:59:33 PM

FTFY

Very big difference

Unfix. There are places that the Eida is hired in addition to rabbanut, and they keep the rabbanut mashgiach. Mashgichim that don't work for the eida aren't necessarily bad.

ETA: I'm unsure of what you tried to add. That eida hires the same people in eida establishments?

L'Chaim · « **Reply #93 on:** February 12, 2013, 03:08:45 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 03:01:47 PM

Unfix. There are places that the Eida is hired in addition to rabbanut, and they keep the rabbanut mashgiach. Mashgichim that don't work for the eida aren't necessarily bad.

Correct, they just need to know the difference now that they are also hired by the Eida.

Drago · « **Reply #94 on:** February 12, 2013, 03:46:02 PM »

Quote from: moish on February 12, 2013, 02:55:39 PM

do you really think the bedatz relies on rabanut trumos and maasros? is this official policy? does badatz allow their stores to use rabanut fruit?

what are you guys smoking? ill have some...

I'm just quoting over from what our Rav said in his kashrus shiur in shul on shabbos last month, and I've posted it b/f as well.
No need to believe me, rely on what you're instructed to do and you'll receive heavenly blessings.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16659.msg395880#msg395880

And I'm always happy to bring a smile to your face

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #95 on:** February 12, 2013, 03:51:52 PM »

Quote from: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 02:50:06 PM

He's referring to the eida. And I agree with them in regards to Jerusalem rabbinate fruits.

Fruit don't grow in Jerusalem.

ערלה supervision would be under other Rabbinate which the J'lem is required by law to rely on.

yuneeq · « **Reply #96 on:** February 12, 2013, 04:01:03 PM »

Quote from: PlatinumGuy on February 12, 2013, 03:51:52 PM

Fruit don't grow in Jerusalem.

ערלה supervision would be under other Rabbinate which the J'lem is required by law to rely on.

Nope. I heard from R' Shlessinger directly that the Jerusalem Rabbinate sends a dozen mashgichim to go take the terumos and ma'asros before the fruits and vegs are brought into Jerusalem. It's a detailed and specific process, it is not at all what you think.

moish · « **Reply #97 on:** February 13, 2013, 04:57:00 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on February 12, 2013, 04:01:03 PM

Nope. I heard from R' Shlessinger directly that the Jerusalem Rabbinate sends a dozen mashgichim to go take the terumos and ma'asros before the fruits and vegs are brought into Jerusalem. It's a detailed and specific process, it is not at all what you think.

and yet, the eidah doesnt allow produce into a restaurant until they personally take off trumos and maasros. if the storeowner brings it in before the eidah arrives, the hechsher is revoked on the spot

yuneeq · « **Reply #98 on:** February 13, 2013, 05:29:05 AM »

Quote from: moish on February 13, 2013, 04:57:00 AM

and yet, the eidah doesnt allow produce into a restaurant until they personally take off trumos and maasros. if the storeowner brings it in before the eidah arrives, the hechsher is revoked on the spot

Every reliable hechsher is the same in that aspect. No reliable hechsher would let a store owner bring in his own products when the mashgiach isn't there. Kashrus 101.

moish · « **Reply #99 on:** February 13, 2013, 05:59:26 AM »

Quote from: yuneeq on February 13, 2013, 05:29:05 AM

Every reliable hechsher is the same in that aspect. No reliable hechsher would let a store owner bring in his own products when the mashgiach isn't there. Kashrus 101.

so they dont rely on the rabanut produce

and i dont think the rabbanut has such a policy in place

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