Vaccine Discussion Master Thread

[henche]

You're a lawyer, let's break this down.  (Warning, I may quote myself)

Anti-vax Kol Koreh (or at least pro the anti vaxxers)

 hanging in BMG. 

Do you disagree with that?

Signed not only by Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky (not surprised there), but cosigned by Rav Matisyahu Solomon, Rav Aharon Shechter and others.

See previous question.

Also claims endorsement from Rav Chaim Kanievsky.

 What is going on?

Umm... Ad hominem?

Have a good night!

Is that the best you can do? I'ts anti-vax because of an inference? 

When you described it as anti-vax, I expected a kol koreh that said "don't vaccinate."

[Barryg]

It's a stupid letter as there is no supporting medical research showing the risks outweigh the benefits. Honestly if those rabanutwbeleive that then th ey have no business giving any advice or psak as they  clearly did no research whatsoever. I have no respect for that. If they hadn't mentioned the supposed supporting medical research it would be one thing, but saying that is blatant ignorance or laziness.
It is also NOT debated in medical and research circles. It is quacks that debate it.

I've spoken with multiple doctors who debate it. Doctors not quacks...

[Fish Tank]

I've spoken with multiple doctors who debate it. Doctors not quacks...

Names please?

[Barryg]

Comparing global warming, which is vastly debated in the scientific community, to vaccines is dishonest.
(Granted, the media would have us believe that global warming is settled science, but they are definitely dishonest!)

There was a point in history where the world was flat and it was a settled science. What make you so certain that flat earth and global warming are on one side of the coin, but vaccines are a settled science now and forever?

[Barryg]

Names please?

I don't believe that I have the right without asking permission to just give their names on a public forum. Is it that you don't believe me or do you want me to get you on the path to see that there are two sides to this story and that you have real Q's to ask them...

[PTU]

There was a point in history where the world was flat and it was a settled science. What make you so certain that flat earth and global warming are on one side of the coin, but vaccines are a settled science now and forever?

Whatever, we don't know the future.

But we do know that as of now, today, settled science - by the overwhelming majority of doctors and scientists, vaccines are a safe and necessary.

This Kol koreh is clearly misinformed on this fact.

Does anyone disagree?

[Barryg]

What bothers me is that one way or another they did not do the research. Either they did not put any effort in, or, more likely, some folks with an agenda came to them with their own "facts" and based the letter on that, again without any independent verification.

Did you put an effort in to find out for a fact that they didn't put an effort in?

[noturbizniss]

Did you put an effort in to find out for a fact that they didn't put an effort in?

It's going against decades of research . literally. And the doctors you spoke of are clearly full of crap. Period. I wouldn't trust them to put on a band aid. Go ahead and dont vaccinate.  If your family gets nominated for a darwin award it'll be  your own dumbest fault. This thread is ridiculous already.

[Barryg]

It's going against decades of research . literally.

So you're trying to say that they all went against decades of research and decided, out of nowhere, without putting in any effort, to write this letter... And what exactly would they gain by doing this?

And the doctors you spoke of are clearly full of crap. Period. I wouldn't trust them to put on a band aid.

Maybe they are, maybe not...

Go ahead and dont vaccinate.  If your family gets nominated for a darwin award it'll be  your own dumbest fault. This thread is ridiculous already.

I never said that I don't vaccinate. I'm just here being open minded. It the thread is too ridiculous for you then don't read it. But, please, if you are going to post here, let it make sense...

[1234567]

Is that the best you can do?

Unfortunately, yes...

I'ts anti-vax because of an inference? 

When you described it as anti-vax, I expected a kol koreh that said "don't vaccinate."

What I said was

Anti-vax Kol Koreh (or at least pro the anti vaxxers)

If you think that this letter is not “at least pro the anti vaxxers”, than I am glad to have been mistaken in my assessment.  But I must say that I am a bit skeptical.

And thanks for disagreeing so respectfully!

[thaber]

henche and the other atty.'s  - what do you think?

http://blog.multihousingnews.com/what-renters-want-with-jessica-fiur/what-renters-want-with-jessica-fiur-could-apartments-turn-down-anti-vax-residents/

[Mountain Man]

Not that this will change anyone's opinion but:

Autism shown to have no link to measles vaccine

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102605133

 

[aygart]

Not that this will change anyone's opinion but:

Autism shown to have no link to measles vaccine

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102605133

 

from the article

In the JAMA study, among kids whose siblings didn't have autism, the MMR vaccination rate was 84 percent at age 2 and 92 percent at age 5. For kids with older siblings with autism, the vaccination rates were lower: 73 percent at age 2, and 86 percent at age 5.
That trend is particularly concerning, not just for exposure of the kids themselves, but because the vaccination rates drop below the 92 percent to 95 percent thought to be required for "herd immunity"—when enough people in a community are vaccinated that even those who can't be immunized due to very young age or medical problems can still be protected.

[YankyDoodle]

@aygart what are you trying to say?

[YankyDoodle]

Brand new PSA made available. Couldn't be more relevant today than it was then 

[IsraelGuy]

I've spoken with multiple doctors who debate it. Doctors not quacks...

Somebody has to be at the bottom of every med school class...

[YankyDoodle]

Somebody has to be at the bottom of every med school class...

It's a mathematical fact that 50% of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class.

[jj1000]

It's a mathematical fact that 50% of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class.

Can a person graduate medical school and fail the boards after or once you graduate you are a Doctor?

[henche]

It's a mathematical fact that 50% of all doctors graduate in the bottom half of their class.

It's an empirical fact that far less than 50% of applicants are admitted to medical school, and many more give up without applying when they can't get a good score on the MCAT, or can't hack pre-med.

Your statement is like saying saying "it's a mathematical fact that 50% of the NBA are in the bottom half of the NBA."  Yes, but the winnowing out of the bad basketball players already happened.

50% of Rolls Royces are in the bottom half of Rolls royces.

[YankyDoodle]

It's an empirical fact that far less than 50% of applicants are admitted to medical school, and many more give up without applying when they can't get a good score on the MCAT, or can't hack pre-med.

Your statement is like saying saying "it's a mathematical fact that 50% of the NBA are in the bottom half of the NBA."  Yes, but the winnowing out of the bad basketball players already happened.

50% of Rolls Royces are in the bottom half of Rolls royces.

What's the saying about needing to explain a joke...

You took that awfully personal, not very henche-like.