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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
84 (37.2%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (2.2%)
No
137 (60.6%)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #60 on: January 11, 2013, 12:20:38 PM »
Dude, you've overdosed on conspiracy websites.  These are disproven by millions of highly educated doctors, but that of course proves nothing to conspiracy theorists.
Our government and medical system isn't out to harm/kill the majority of us.

Vaccines are the most amazing thing (and they were invented by Jews) that happened in the 20th century.  Kids often used to die and not make it out of childhood, epidemics killed millions of people.  What you have sunk to is pure evil.

Maybe too much time in the sun tanning beds will do that to your brain.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #61 on: January 11, 2013, 12:31:00 PM »
My religious beliefs are also in the minority, yet I don't look at the other side, see that they are entire community and join... Concept of majority rules works in things like Halacha, G-d and Rabbi's never told me to go like majority in these matters. Anyways, please see the other side, and what they have to say, see if you find some parts to disagree with them (not me). Btw it's many more than 2, I just brought 2 sources that were helpful to me...
I was not going to get in to this but you mentioned it so here goes:
As religious Jews we believe in hashgacha, that life and death are in his hands. We are supposed to trust in G-d, have Bitachon that he will protect us. We must also do some Hishtadlus to take care of ourselves. After all it is the "world of action".
The question is how much can we rely on g-d verses "taking care of ourselves.
The accepted principle in halacha and hashkafa is called "shomer pesoim Hashem", this means that as long as what we are doing is considered the "norm" we don't have to worry about extreme occurrences. EG. Its ok to drive a car even though there are inherent dangers in driving a car. Its ok to let kids run and play, we dont have to obsessively worry that they may get hit bay a car and keep them locked up as this is the normal  way of the world.
Therefore since vaccinations are generally considered safe, and they are safely used by a vast majority of normal people, from a Halachic and hashkafic point of view one does not need to be concerned, even if there is a possibility of some risk.
It also happens to be that I personally know of someone who asked a very big leading halachic authority about shots, he said one must vaccinate and one is not permitted to be afraid of some not general accepted concern. One who does not vaccinate and causes others harm is responsible.


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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #62 on: January 11, 2013, 12:51:19 PM »
I don't have time now to search official sources but vitamin D deficiency IS considered a big problem in higher latitudes. I know in Montreal doctors recommend supplements, though IIRC it's not a problem in most of the United States.
That said; Vitamin D alone is not enough to replace vaccinations.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #63 on: January 11, 2013, 12:57:28 PM »
I don't have time now to search official sources but vitamin D deficiency IS considered a big problem in higher latitudes. I know in Montreal doctors recommend supplements, though IIRC it's not a problem in most of the United States.
That said; Vitamin D alone is not enough to replace vaccinations.
I take vitamin D supplements.  But going to a tanning salon to get D3, that's ludicrous.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #64 on: January 11, 2013, 01:19:55 PM »
But going to a tanning salon to get D3, that's ludicrous.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #65 on: January 11, 2013, 01:26:40 PM »
@anti-vaccine-conspiracy-theorists I've been convinced now that I did my research. Thanks for enlightening me! http://www.jewishproblem.com/vaccinations-are-a-jewish-conspiracy-jews-want-to-annihilate-and-rule-us-muslim-cleric/
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2013, 01:27:11 PM »
I take vitamin D supplements.  But going to a tanning salon to get D3, that's ludicrous.
Never been to one, but I wouldn't deny that it will add D3 to one's system...

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2013, 01:29:25 PM »
Never been to one, but I wouldn't deny that it will add D3 to one's system...
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2013, 03:52:04 PM »
My religious beliefs are also in the minority, yet I don't look at the other side, see that they are entire community and join... Concept of majority rules works in things like Halacha, G-d and Rabbi's never told me to go like majority in these matters. Anyways, please see the other side, and what they have to say, see if you find some parts to disagree with them (not me). Btw it's many more than 2, I just brought 2 sources that were helpful to me...
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2013, 03:57:39 PM »
...and melanoma
Being vaccinated=Bad.
Melanoma=Good.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2013, 04:00:24 PM »
Every Religious belief is a minority, christianity is a minority 1/3, islam is a minority 1.5/6, there is no majority. 99% of medical proffesionals say vaccines are safe and crucial!!
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2013, 04:02:18 PM »
Dude, you've overdosed on conspiracy websites.  These are disproven by millions of highly educated doctors, but that of course proves nothing to conspiracy theorists.
Our government and medical system isn't out to harm/kill the majority of us.

Vaccines are the most amazing thing (and they were invented by Jews) that happened in the 20th century.  Kids often used to die and not make it out of childhood, epidemics killed millions of people.  What you have sunk to is pure evil.

Did you read or just assume that it's a conspiracy? I'm not asking to attack, just the amount I may look into the response will differ if you read the previously posted links (or watched Dr Tenpenny's 3 hour video). Also, do you have a good link that could answer the concerns that Dr Tenpenny/Dr Mercola have?

I am from other side and not convinced that all vaccines are evil, therefore my family vaccinates (on a different schedule than the usual one). The optional ones, however, like chicken pox and flu (not pure evil) on the other hand, is what I was discussing before.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2013, 04:09:57 PM »
Just got my flu shot

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2013, 04:19:02 PM »
Also, do you have a good link that could answer the concerns that Dr Tenpenny/Dr Mercola have?
Figures that neither of them are MDs...they're just in it for the money, and there's lots to be made off gullible conpiracy theorists. You've names 2 non-practicing "doctors" out of millions.  Who are both making millions more than their peers who they claim are just in it for the money...

http://scientopia.org/blogs/whitecoatunderground/2009/12/30/damned-lies-and-idiots/
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/February-2012/Dr-Joseph-Mercola-Visionary-or-Quack/
http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/mercola.html
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