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Facts
The flu vaccine causes more deaths per year than chicken pox.
The direct injection of RSV immunoglobulin, commonly known as the "RSV vaccine" would prevent 16x more deaths than the flu vaccine does, but is too expensive.
There is a vaccine for the plague, and that is why it is no longer an epidemic.
Ebola is caused by vaccines.
There is a vaccine for autism, but it causes mumps.


Opinions
Vaccines do not contain thimerosal, a known toxin.
If you snuck up on your neighbor's kid and cut open his skull, you would be arrested.  But when brain surgeons do it, and charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, it considered "medicine."
99% of vaccines do not cause autism (HT JJ1000).
Every pedi has seen healthy kids become sick physically & mentally hours after a vax (HT Baryochai)
Vaccines cause cancer, infertility, astma, adhd etc (HT Baryochai)

Poll

Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?

Yes (Shot)
112 (38.8%)
Yes (Nasal Spray)
5 (1.7%)
No
172 (59.5%)

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #120 on: January 14, 2013, 05:00:01 PM »
Actually, the internets are claiming that shingles is more common because of the vaccine.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #121 on: January 14, 2013, 05:07:27 PM »
Sounds like a quack to me.  Why would it be approved without the proper research?
And find out more about Shingles.
I may be mistaken, but isn't Shingles only a problem for people who have once had Chicken Pox?  Why should anyone be at risk of that anymore?

I did look into it a little (it was only Wikipedia so take it with a grain of salt). It sounds like the opposite is true.
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Adults who have had chickenpox as a child are less likely to have shingles in later life if they have been exposed occasionally to the chickenpox virus (for example by their children). This is because the exposure acts as a booster vaccine.

As far as the doctor, she's very well respected, but from what I hear, there are a lot of things she does differently than the other doctors the frum people in the neighborhood use. So even if quack is too much, unorthodox is probably not.

This vaccine is a relatively new invention and the long term effects are not yet known. It's use is not as widespread in many other countries. In the US, Japan, Canada, and Australia they recommend routine immunization of children and susceptible adults. But in the UK and Germany, they have only targeted recommendations (e.g. for susceptible health care workers at risk of exposure), mainly because of the shingles issue.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #122 on: January 14, 2013, 05:09:31 PM »
Interesting.  Weird then that I know of quite a few adults with Shingles than I guess?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #123 on: January 14, 2013, 05:12:12 PM »
Interesting.  Weird then that I know of quite a few adults with Shingles than I guess?

I guess so.

My wife was very against this whole idea, to the point that my sister got insulted. We will almost certainly be vaccinating our son, I was just stirring the pot.

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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #124 on: January 14, 2013, 06:39:36 PM »
My parents told me I got the chickenpox vaccine, but I had shingles a few years ago.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #125 on: January 14, 2013, 06:43:11 PM »
My parents told me I got the chickenpox vaccine, but I had shingles a few years ago.
If you had CP or the vaccine you can get shingles.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #126 on: January 14, 2013, 06:53:50 PM »
i'm not a virologist but it's my understanding that there is no way for your body/immune system to know if you actually got the infection or just the immunization, am I wrong?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #127 on: January 14, 2013, 06:56:14 PM »
i'm not a virologist but it's my understanding that there is no way for your body/immune system to know if you actually got the infection or just the immunization, am I wrong?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #128 on: January 14, 2013, 07:01:16 PM »
My shoulder near where I got the flu shot is buzzy like when your foot is sleeping. Is this normal?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #129 on: January 14, 2013, 07:05:19 PM »
Yes its normal; the autism spreads from the site of the injection to the reast of the body, give it a day or two and it'll even out :P
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #130 on: January 14, 2013, 07:06:28 PM »
I don't get why people would get a shot over the spray.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #131 on: January 14, 2013, 07:07:35 PM »
I don't get why people would get a shot over the spray.
I heard that the spray is live and the shot is dead, less risk of getting flu.
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #132 on: January 14, 2013, 07:07:59 PM »
Yes its normal; the autism spreads from the site of the injection to the reast of the body, give it a day or two and it'll even out :P
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #133 on: January 14, 2013, 07:10:18 PM »
I don't get why people would get a shot over the spray.
Shot has been around longer?
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Re: Did You Get The Flu Vaccine This Winter?
« Reply #134 on: January 14, 2013, 07:12:03 PM »
I heard that the spray is live and the shot is dead, less risk of getting flu.
Boy you've got loads of bad sources. You can't get the flu from the shot or the spray.
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