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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #780 on: June 25, 2014, 07:48:01 PM »
She has a right in certain situations but when she is holding something from him she can't say she wants a get which is the case in most "agunah" cases
the sugya is to long and complicated to get into all the pratim, but your blanket statement is inncorrect

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #781 on: June 25, 2014, 07:49:14 PM »
That isn't remotely correct.
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and if those guidelines are not met there is no reason for him to give a get and if its forced it will definitely be posul and her children will be mamzerim
inccorect. but yes those children are sadly probably mamzairim

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #782 on: June 25, 2014, 07:49:44 PM »
the sugya is to long and complicated to get into all the pratim, but your blanket statement is inncorrect
thats why I said most making it not a blanket statement
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #783 on: June 25, 2014, 07:52:59 PM »
thats why I said most making it not a blanket statement
you misunderstood. the part that is incorrect is that she doesnt loose her zechus because she is "holding" somthing back

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #784 on: June 25, 2014, 08:02:10 PM »
She doesn't have a right to a get but if there is no halachicly valid reason for him to hold it back and he is holding it back to get something he is not entitled to or to spite her then with a kosher bais din that he agreed to he can be forced to give it
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #785 on: June 25, 2014, 09:24:42 PM »
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #786 on: June 25, 2014, 09:42:03 PM »
She doesn't have a right to a get but if there is no halachicly valid reason for him to hold it back and he is holding it back to get something he is not entitled to or to spite her then with a kosher bais din that he agreed to he can be forced to give it
100% incorrect . you are making mamzairim . you are probably a 18 yo child thats making assumptions based on tidbits you heard about dinai torah. they cannot force a get evan if he chose them evan if the are the three gedolai hador (although they can give money to kupat hair and it will cause him to give a get indirectly)
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #787 on: June 25, 2014, 10:32:39 PM »
100% incorrect . you are making mamzairim . you are probably a 18 yo child thats making assumptions based on tidbits you heard about dinai torah. they cannot force a get evan if he chose them evan if the are the three gedolai hador (although they can give money to kupat hair and it will cause him to give a get indirectly)
it may not be allowed (something thats up for great debate) however if there is anytime that it would possibly be allowed it needs that otherwise usually makes mamzerim and even if not it doesn't give anyone a right to beat up an innocent man
as I heard from a big talmud of one of the gedolai hador who does not want his statement public that some of them are definitely mamzerim (he didn't say about the rest)
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #788 on: June 25, 2014, 11:29:36 PM »
you are probably a 18 yo child
So you're better than him because you've been alive for a few more years?
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #789 on: June 26, 2014, 03:19:13 AM »
So you're better than him because you've been alive for a few more years?
???

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #790 on: June 26, 2014, 08:29:48 AM »
???
You called him out on age. So you got asked why age matters.

There's are very intelligent 18 year Olds out there,  and thereare very dumb 50 year Olds out there. .

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #791 on: June 26, 2014, 05:50:06 PM »
it may not be allowed (something thats up for great debate) however if there is anytime that it would possibly be allowed it needs that otherwise usually makes mamzerim and even if not it doesn't give anyone a right to beat up an innocent man
as I heard from a big talmud of one of the gedolai hador who does not want his statement public that some of them are definitely mamzerim (he didn't say about the rest)
i honestly have no clue what you are saying and what your point is
when you wrote its up for great debate that is not true there is no debate about it
do you have any clue what you are talking about or did you just hear some story and extrapolating your facts from there?
So you're better than him because you've been alive for a few more years?
didnt say anything about being better
and if i am right about his age its a lot more than a few i can almost be his dad
You called him out on age. So you got asked why age matters.
There's are very intelligent 18 year Olds out there,  and thereare very dumb 50 year Olds out there. .
i didnt call him out on his age. his age makes no diff for all i know he can be a stupid 90 yo. all i said is that what he is doing making false statments as if they are factual mixing up different halochos and misapplying it and .... is common for a 18 yo who thinks that the few bits and peices of info they hear is all there is to know. there are intel 18 yo and stupid 50 yo but the mistakes and misunderstandings and arrguments he was making are more common by a teenager or early twentys than it is by a 50 yo, so i guessed his age. i called him out on the way he was acting not on his age
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #794 on: August 11, 2014, 04:19:15 AM »
whats the connection do they mean wollmark shot the guy on his defense team?
If anything revenge for not accepting the case… I wonder if the whole thing was made up by branfman to project a persecuted image.(fine by me)
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #795 on: August 12, 2014, 01:15:18 AM »
If anything revenge for not accepting the case…
hard to believe anyone actually thinks so

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #796 on: January 14, 2015, 06:37:03 PM »
Wolmark pleaded guilty.


“Rabbi Martin Wolmark has agreed to accept responsibility for his limited participation in a conspiracy,” Wolmark’s attorney, Benjamin Brafman, said in a statement. “He looks forward to bringing this chapter of his life to a close.”

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #797 on: January 14, 2015, 06:39:52 PM »
Wolmark pleaded guilty.
Faces maximum of 5 years. Not so bad considering all the charges that he faced.

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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #798 on: January 14, 2015, 06:46:37 PM »
Faces maximum of 5 years. Not so bad considering all the charges that he faced.
THAT'S IT HE SHOULD SIT FOREVER FOR ALL THE MAMZERIM HE MADE  >:(
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Re: FBI Sting Operation; Rabbis Arrested
« Reply #799 on: January 14, 2015, 09:18:36 PM »
THAT'S IT HE SHOULD SIT FOREVER FOR ALL THE MAMZERIM HE MADE  >:(
WTH are you talking about?