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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #420 on: February 15, 2023, 04:20:17 PM »
It does matter if inflation is 1% or 50%. It's called real return vs. nominal return.
You can't change the inflation rate. You can change the interest you get on your money.
I am better off now than I was last year.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #421 on: February 15, 2023, 06:55:08 PM »


I feel like there should be some helpful posts around here somewhere.
What are you looking for?
Recommendations on where to put your money? we'd need a bit more detail - how long you're putting it away for/risk appetite/etc.
General financial-investing education? How do you learn best? There are books/websites you can read, forums more focused on finance, youtube channels, podcasts, etc. (here's one intro from Investopedia.com - but don't rely or get stuck on one place, keep reading and learning)
 Do you have the name of the fund he recommended? Sometimes they may recommend a fund with an up front fee instead of an annual fee, as if you'll be leaving it there for more than X years it'll come out cheaper than the same fund with an annual fee.

I'm looking for a few things.
Currently, I have money sitting (because I'd like to buy a house so can't lock it away it would be amazing if there is some way for it to make money while I'm trying to find one.)
I'd love some good recommendations for long term (retirement type (401k /IRA) and like 10-20 year range (wedding for kids etc)

(In all honesty, I don't really know what I need, I'd just like to have my money work for me...) So if there's strategies on how to decide this kind of thing I'd love to learn them.
I'll def read that site. Thanks for the link. 


Sadly I don't, I think the company manages it.
What kind of charges should I be expecting for managing this vs what would be a rip-off?

Any and all advice would be helpful, as to my understanding this is a massive part of being able to support ones self and family, and sadly I'm quite lacking in this area.

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #422 on: February 15, 2023, 07:04:34 PM »
Currently, I have money sitting (because I'd like to buy a house so can't lock it away it would be amazing if there is some way for it to make money while I'm trying to find one.)
Make sure while it sits you are getting interest on it. Many risk free options at 4.5-5%.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #423 on: February 15, 2023, 07:17:31 PM »
Make sure while it sits you are getting interest on it. Many risk free options at 4.5-5%.

Just looked today at money market funds. VMFXX and VMRXX looked best. $3,000 minimum on E*Trade, $10,000 minimum elsewhere.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #424 on: February 15, 2023, 08:31:35 PM »
Just looked today at money market funds. VMFXX and VMRXX looked best. $3,000 minimum on E*Trade, $10,000 minimum elsewhere.
Safe for short term?
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #425 on: February 15, 2023, 08:37:44 PM »
Safe for short term?

Those are money market funds. Considered extremely safe and liquid.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #426 on: February 15, 2023, 08:45:20 PM »
Those are money market funds. Considered extremely safe and liquid.
What's the average interest rate?
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #427 on: February 16, 2023, 02:11:31 PM »
TL:DR, Keep reading and learning and don't be afraid to ask, don't rely on me or anyone in particular, it needs to make sense to you.

Currently, I have money sitting (because I'd like to buy a house so can't lock it away it would be amazing if there is some way for it to make money while I'm trying to find one.)

Money you'll need short term, (down payment on house you're looking to buy etc) people generally recommend sticking with liquid low risk, as CV mentioned you should be able to get 4-5%, whether in HYSA (high yield saving account) which you mentioned earlier you were already using, or as Exgingi pointed out Money Market Funds such VMFXX/VMRXX, or as is popular here but a bit longer term Treasury Bills.

I'd love some good recommendations for long term (retirement type (401k /IRA) and like 10-20 year range (wedding for kids etc)

IRA/Roth/HSA/etc are vehicles you can put your money into and gain various tax benefits and in those vehicles you can invest in various assets (stocks/bonds/etc).
You can poke around this thread: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=124002.0
As I said before just keep reading and learning about it, for example  I mentioned IRA & Roth you might get to this page from Schwab or HSA you might find a page like this from the motley fool , don't get scared of the terms, just ask or search and keep learning. Not sure how good your internet search skills are but as usual don't rely on one source, keep reading see if the info lines up with what you've read previously check if it's up to date etc.
All investment carries risk of loss but the more diversified you are the less of a risk it may be, so probably stick with a Broad Market ETF or Mutual Fund as opposed to individual stocks if you're just getting started and not using "play money" (extra money you won't mind losing if investment goes bad).
You can open an investment account in most places, your bank may have the ability to help you open one, or you can do it yourself with schwab/fidelity/vanguard/etrade/robinhood/etc/etc

Sadly I don't, I think the company manages it.
That may be a great lead, ask your company (HR or the advisor they gave) if they have any introductory investing info. They should also be able to give you a list of investment options for your portfolio (or a login for you to see yourself). Ask if they have a company match for 401k, that's usually a no brainer to take.
What kind of charges should I be expecting for managing this vs what would be a rip-off?
They should be able to tell you what the fund they're investing in is and what the fees are, then you can ask here or lookup similar funds and see what the rate should be.

Of course get used to seeing versions of this, for good reason:
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #428 on: February 16, 2023, 02:46:26 PM »
https://www.unitybank.com/contests-and-promotions/oceancounty

Lakewood, NJ branch only.
CD 5% for 12 months $25k max
CD 4.5% for 15 months $1M max

Good option for those that feel safe with brick and mortar. Would seem worthwhile to go shorter term for the extra .5%. Perhaps someone could run the numbers for this.

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #429 on: February 16, 2023, 06:47:43 PM »
Just looked today at money market funds. VMFXX and VMRXX looked best. $3,000 minimum on E*Trade, $10,000 minimum elsewhere.

Are these exempt from federal or state taxes?

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #430 on: February 16, 2023, 07:13:31 PM »
Are these exempt from federal or state taxes?

Nope.

There are state specific Muni Money Market funds for that. But I believe yields are much lower.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #431 on: February 16, 2023, 07:58:28 PM »
Just looked today at money market funds. VMFXX and VMRXX looked best. $3,000 minimum on E*Trade, $10,000 minimum elsewhere.
These seem to yield ~%4.3
Is that so far above other leading MM funds? or T-Bills for that matter?

I ask because these seem to have rather restricted availability, where the others can be bought in most any brokerage/less minimums

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #432 on: February 17, 2023, 05:15:39 AM »
Primis Bank 5.03% Checking & Savings Accounts
https://www.doctorofcredit.com/primis-bank-5-03-checking-savings-accounts/
Rate cut to 4.35%. Classic bait and switch!!!
T-bills currently outshine anything out there.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #433 on: February 17, 2023, 09:19:16 AM »
Rate cut to 4.35%. Classic bait and switch!!!
T-bills currently outshine anything out there.
How liquid are t-bills?

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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #434 on: February 17, 2023, 09:36:00 AM »
How liquid are t-bills?
You can sell them at any time just like say Amazon.
You can also buy them on the secondary market for short period of times, even a week.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #435 on: February 17, 2023, 10:44:06 AM »
You can sell them at any time just like say Amazon.
You can also buy them on the secondary market for short period of times, even a week.

*but the price can fluctuate.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #436 on: February 17, 2023, 10:50:16 AM »
*but the price can fluctuate.
*but very little in the current environment.  :)
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #437 on: February 17, 2023, 10:59:48 AM »
*but very little in the current environment.  :)
Until it changes. It is not a major risk but still more than a bank account if you want the instant liquidity.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #438 on: February 17, 2023, 11:05:44 AM »
Until it changes. It is not a major risk but still more than a bank account if you want the instant liquidity.
Bank accounts are not always instant liquidity.
I still don't know when funds are available when you sell a T-bill.
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Re: Savings/investments/bonds Master Thread.
« Reply #439 on: February 17, 2023, 11:29:36 AM »

There are state specific Muni Money Market funds for that. But I believe yields are much lower.


I believe those are exempt from federal and state. Would be interested in seeing the yields.

Fwiu there are high yield mm options that are federally tax free.