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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #240 on: March 13, 2022, 02:39:45 PM »
You missed part of the quote. Finland does not.  :)
That's correct. Boy do they wish they did. Israel has no prospect of that at all at this time.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #241 on: March 13, 2022, 02:40:25 PM »
Lack of a deal will not. So what is left is attack/war.
Is there any prospect at all of a US attack even with no deal?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #242 on: March 13, 2022, 02:45:10 PM »
I understand that.

Every country is putting itself at risk by supporting Ukraine. Military supplies are coming through countries like Poland. That is high risk!

You have a country like little Finland being threatened with military action if they join NATO. More than ever they are now looking to join.
that is a different type of risk, they have two options wait and see if Russia invades them or try to be proactive and join nato which they hope will mitigate that risk.

For Israel itís all risk with no gain.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #243 on: March 13, 2022, 02:48:26 PM »
Israel has no prospect of that at all at this time.
That is interesting. Have they ever wanted to join? Not sure how that would work, maybe change the name?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #244 on: March 13, 2022, 02:49:43 PM »
that is a different type of risk, they have two options wait and see if Russia invades them or try to be proactive and join nato which they hope will mitigate that risk.

For Israel itís all risk with no gain.
Is a weaker Russia good for Israel? 
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #245 on: March 13, 2022, 02:50:56 PM »
Is there any prospect at all of a US attack even with no deal?
At some point I would say yes. With a deal the answer is no.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #246 on: March 13, 2022, 02:56:31 PM »
At some point I would say yes. With a deal the answer is no.

At what point might that happen that didn't already occur?

Israel's basic premise is that they will not be keeping to a deal. I would see their flaunting a deal as the most likely route to an attack.

Even with your view that an attack would eventually happen, from your assessment it would be far too late, wouldn't it?

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #247 on: March 13, 2022, 04:36:07 PM »
Israel attacking Iran without a deal is less problematic then IL 'violating' the deal

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #248 on: March 13, 2022, 05:29:42 PM »
At what point might that happen that didn't already occur?
Not sure. What we seem to be sure of is that Iran is close to their break-out point. Amassing enough nuclear fuel for a nuclear weapon. This is a direct result of the last admin pulling out of the deal and not replacing it with anything.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #249 on: March 13, 2022, 06:34:19 PM »
Not sure. What we seem to be sure of is that Iran is close to their break-out point. Amassing enough nuclear fuel for a nuclear weapon. This is a direct result of the last admin pulling out of the deal and not replacing it with anything.
So there is not enough time for a US attack to occur before they reach breakout point unless they do it quickly? Then there is no hope of a US attack before with our without a deal. In that case why would Israel be against it if it at least delays it?

I don't know one way or another about your premise about what caused this. It does seem to me like Israel disagrees with your assessment.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #250 on: March 13, 2022, 06:40:53 PM »
I don't know one way or another about your premise about what caused this. It does seem to me like Israel disagrees with your assessment.
I posted somewhere up thread how there uranium enrichment has surpassed the levels in the deal. I don't see anyone disputing the breakout time is less without a deal.
I would not trust Israels assessment since they have shown it to be one-sided.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #251 on: March 13, 2022, 08:00:06 PM »
I posted somewhere up thread how there uranium enrichment has surpassed the levels in the deal. I don't see anyone disputing the breakout time is less without a deal.
I would not trust Israels assessment since they have shown it to be one-sided.
Without anytime inspections how would anyone know? The USA is huge and Iran is a fly compared to them in every way. If the US wanted to obliterate Iran for being the menace they are, they can do that in their sleep. They are giving all that away for the right of having the fox watch the chicken coop until the hens walk out the door and then they are granted permission to eat them up.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #252 on: March 13, 2022, 08:02:59 PM »
Without anytime inspections how would anyone know?
I guess the same way we knew all this years what they were up to?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #253 on: March 13, 2022, 08:41:30 PM »
I posted somewhere up thread how there uranium enrichment has surpassed the levels in the deal. I don't see anyone disputing the breakout time is less without a deal.
I would not trust Israels assessment since they have shown it to be one-sided.
Why would they do that against their  best interests?
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #254 on: March 13, 2022, 08:41:49 PM »
I guess the same way we knew all this years what they were up to?
Maybe we didn't
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #255 on: March 13, 2022, 10:57:34 PM »
I guess the same way we knew all this years what they were up to?
It's proven that the US deliberately looked away many times in order to "have a deal" and to keep the pretense of a deal up. For whatever purpose, I cannot begin to fathom, as it is totally meaningless and the American people know that (I.e. they don't want Iran coddled and rewarded for its belligerency). This is something that only the elitists in America could understand.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #256 on: March 13, 2022, 11:41:01 PM »
Newsweek: Biden Shatters Israel's Delusions | Opinion.
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-shatters-israels-delusions-opinion-1685304
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #257 on: March 15, 2022, 12:07:04 PM »
While I support a deal make no mistake that they should never be allowed to have nukes. If that means military strikes, then so be it.
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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #258 on: March 16, 2022, 12:08:51 AM »
While I support a deal make no mistake that they should never be allowed to have nukes. If that means military strikes, then so be it.
Unless there's a regime change, you can count on Plan B being the only viable option, unfortunately.

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Re: Iran nuclear deal
« Reply #259 on: March 16, 2022, 12:15:27 AM »
Unless there's a regime change, you can count on Plan B being the only viable option, unfortunately.
I count on plan A to delay what might be the only viable action at some point.
Now if you believe the current admin would not use all means possible to stop them from getting a nuke then that is a different situation.
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