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https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/

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BEFORE SWIPING FOR SOMEONE READ THIS: (first hand story)

https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2062371#msg2062371
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/dark-side-earning-credit-card-points-psa-dont-swipe-others/#comment-1399884


Dan's warning to DDF:
I hope people realize that any buying group or anyone else that gets merchandise in advance of payment can go south at any time. That's even if you get a check at the time of delivery.
X-posting as I don't want anyone to say that I never put a warning here.

A story that ended up in court - https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/nyscef/DocumentList?docketId=iRcRHuyZUdOIx69D00a5XQ==&display=all&courtType=Kings%20County%20Supreme%20Court&resultsPageNum=1


I am one of the biggest buyers for buying groups, I have done millions in transactions and have sent to every group there is over the past 3 years. Most buying groups are okay, some scan in slower than others, some pay slower than others - most will lose a few packages over the year. You can research and find which are better for you.

However there is a bigger problem now with Amazon itself.  Amazon in the past has been great with any problems always ready with a refund for lost packages even if it was thousands of dollars. Lately Amazon has clamped down and has tagged these buying groups addresses  in their systems as "freight forwarder" and now no longer will fix any problem you have whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the problem is, even if it shows the package was never delivered, amazon will not help you in any way. Their copy and paste response will always be "this item was sent to a freight forwarder and we're unable to replace or refund the item. We recommend contacting your freight forwarder for more details, as we don't have any more insight or information regarding this matter, For more information about sending items via freight forwarders, please visit our Help Pages: https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201117950." As well the amazon drivers either must know this or have been increasingly bad at delivering packages because the numbers of packages missing has gone up astronomically. Previously you would have very few packages missing, now the past 3 months I have had 59 "lost" packages. I now have over $15,000 of loses and some guy in Delaware is probably living the life with all the stuff he stole from me. I will survive, I have made a lot more than $15,000 over the years however just a warning to others here that things are not as they used to be and it really is no longer worth doing buring groups with all the loses piling up

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5220 on: December 04, 2023, 02:17:02 PM »
I just used for the first time a BG, have been avoiding them, but decided for this purchase the benefit outweighed the risk.
I shipped to BFMR and it was delivered last week wednesday, still does't show that they received it, is this the normal way they operate?
THey write they process quickly and send payment that night is this accurate?
They are the fastest in the game at paying and usually at scanning too throughout the year, I think they're just a little behind bc of BF

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5221 on: December 04, 2023, 02:19:44 PM »
Anyone have an issue getting return labels from Amazon if the order went to a buying group? They started offering only UPS pickups (no printable label) when the order was to a buying group. CS cannot change it. I recently received an empty AirPods box and refurbished (returned?) iPad, and cannot get them returned/refunded.

They also started this new habit of kicking the can down the road when I ask for a refund for an order that even the tracking page doesn't show as delivered, telling me to wait another 2-3 weeks and then another.

which group? I had this ups pick up only option with BFMR and they did it for me

Sorry I wasn't clear, Amazon is the one "kicking the can down the road" and refusing the refund. The buying group agreed to wait for the label, but I don't know what happened after that. How did BFMR do it? Waited for the label and matched the RMA#? Or is there a better way?

I was responding to your first paragraph. Is there a reason you need a printable label instead of QR code/UPS pick up? Did the BG tell you that? That's why I asking which BG

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5222 on: December 05, 2023, 01:20:21 PM »
I was responding to your first paragraph. Is there a reason you need a printable label instead of QR code/UPS pick up? Did the BG tell you that? That's why I asking which BG
It was just a new development (at least for me) and I didn't know how it would work. So far Deal&Runner seems to have handled such a pickup well.

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5223 on: December 05, 2023, 01:23:01 PM »
They are the fastest in the game at paying and usually at scanning too throughout the year, I think they're just a little behind bc of BF
BFMR took a bit over a week from delivery to scan (this BF). They do send ACH same day as receipt, but if they needed to they can just delay scanning once they reach their limit in funds and just blame the delay on the busy season...

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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5224 on: Yesterday at 05:06:17 PM »
Please disclose if you have any interest in this game. Nothing personal but this is your first post in three years and it’s a serious accusation.
Which warehouse are you referring to? The Delaware or the Lakewood one?
I sent to Lakewood some stuff and everything was immediately scanned and it says on the site “available for payout “. Meanwhile I think they gave me a better experience than cnj. But BFMR was definitely the best before their addresses got flagged by every serious website.
Not at all I have no conflict of interest here I usually only use bfmr which is owned by a non Jewish guy and rarely have problems with them just saying deal and runner is still and I'm having a lot of problems with them but I would still use them just because they're new in the game so they're getting things worked out but right now they're not the greatest that's all I'm saying I'm not saying you shouldn't use them I'm just saying be wary
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Re: PSA: Don't swipe recklessly for others
« Reply #5225 on: Yesterday at 09:03:02 PM »
I just realized this so I figured I would share. “Topcashback” and I think “Befrugal” offer 8% back when ordering any Alexa device and many other Amazon devices. And almost all BGs offer cost price or above cost when requesting these so potentially you can make over 13% (5% from Amazon cc) on these items.