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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #60 on: October 21, 2018, 12:07:33 PM »
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-official/amid-scepticism-saudi-official-provides-another-version-of-khashoggi-death-idUSKCN1MV04V

I actually think the silencing/chokehold story sounds more plausible than the rumors that have been circulated. Setting up this operation in order to deliberately kill him in the consulate is beyond stupid. I highly doubt that was the original plan.

As to who knew what, and how the body was removed, that's another story, but I really doubt the intention was to kill him right then and there. More likely they intended to bring him to Saudi Arabia and then come up with some story that he was arrested etc. etc. or that he voluntarily agreed to go.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #61 on: October 21, 2018, 12:27:03 PM »
Strawmanning. SOP.
No, putting it in terms most here would understand.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #62 on: October 21, 2018, 12:30:53 PM »
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-khashoggi-official/amid-scepticism-saudi-official-provides-another-version-of-khashoggi-death-idUSKCN1MV04V

I actually think the silencing/chokehold story sounds more plausible than the rumors that have been circulated. Setting up this operation in order to deliberately kill him in the consulate is beyond stupid. I highly doubt that was the original plan.

As to who knew what, and how the body was removed, that's another story, but I really doubt the intention was to kill him right then and there. More likely they intended to bring him to Saudi Arabia and then come up with some story that he was arrested etc. etc. or that he voluntarily agreed to go.
The problem is nothing they say now will believed unless backed up with video proof.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #63 on: October 21, 2018, 12:39:34 PM »
Strawmanning. SOP.
I don't see how. some members here are saying the guy deserved to die for some comments which he made that they think were inciteful. With that line of reasoning, it can be justified to kill anyone you disagree with.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #64 on: October 21, 2018, 01:37:12 PM »
The problem is nothing they say now will believed unless backed up with video proof.
Or if world players find it in their best interest to believe and accept. It will have to be more than just a story.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #65 on: October 21, 2018, 01:51:12 PM »
Or if world players find it in their best interest to believe and accept. It will have to be more than just a story.
Do they care about world players besides Trump? He gave them cover from day one with the rouge comment.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #66 on: October 21, 2018, 02:09:40 PM »
How about we start a list of who deserves to die. Murdered and cut up into pieces.
I will start. What about the traitor Jonathan Pollard? Should he have been murdered and cut up into pieces while on American soil?
Hopefully you get the point!!!

That’s not fair. The list has to be made in a fair, democratic, and transparent process. Everyone gets to vote on who makes the list of those who deserve to die. UN monitors can ensure that there are no voting irregularities. Of course, 1.5 billion people on this planet will vote for “the infidels”.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #67 on: October 21, 2018, 02:40:01 PM »
That’s not fair. The list has to be made in a fair, democratic, and transparent process. Everyone gets to vote on who makes the list of those who deserve to die. UN monitors can ensure that there are no voting irregularities. Of course, 1.5 billion people on this planet will vote for “the infidels”.
You just made a better argument against yourself than anyone here.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #68 on: October 21, 2018, 03:58:29 PM »
“DON’T MOURN FOR KHASHOGGI,” tweeted David Horowitz, a prominent conservative reactionary. “He was a Muslim Brotherhood operative, a pro-jihad, pro-Iranian, pro–[Tayyip] Erdoğan Jew-hater. A supporter of Iran.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/10/donald-trump-pro-saudi-right-reacts-jamal-khashoggi
and https://nypost.com/2018/10/18/why-the-saudis-despised-jamal-khashoggi/

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #69 on: October 21, 2018, 05:15:52 PM »
You just made a better argument against yourself than anyone here.

Now you have me really confused. Are you saying there is no one on this planet who “deserved to die” from a moral standpoint (we are not talking about condemning him to death and hiring a hit squad- we are talking about someone who is already dead) just because there are people who have distorted ideas of what is morally right and anyone can claim anyone deserves to die? That doesn’t add up.

You may have presented a good, practical reason as to why people should not be killed in such an arbitrary manor- it would set bad precedent and give license to kill just about anyone and claim it was deserved.

But that has no bearing on the question at hand: not should they have killed him. Not should his killers be punished. Not should there be diplomatic consequences. The question is did he deserve to die from a moral standpoint. That is a question I don’t think has a clear answer at this point.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #71 on: October 21, 2018, 11:19:25 PM »
Now you have me really confused. Are you saying there is no one on this planet who “deserved to die” from a moral standpoint (we are not talking about condemning him to death and hiring a hit squad- we are talking about someone who is already dead) just because there are people who have distorted ideas of what is morally right and anyone can claim anyone deserves to die? That doesn’t add up.

You may have presented a good, practical reason as to why people should not be killed in such an arbitrary manor- it would set bad precedent and give license to kill just about anyone and claim it was deserved.

But that has no bearing on the question at hand: not should they have killed him. Not should his killers be punished. Not should there be diplomatic consequences. The question is did he deserve to die from a moral standpoint. That is a question I don’t think has a clear answer at this point.
I have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you simply saying that you are shedding no tears over the guy even though it was a terrible thing that he was killed?
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2018, 12:35:47 AM »
The bottom line is, with all the talk about "punishing" Saudi Arabia, they will likely try to find some kind of slap on the wrist.

The nonsense coming from Berlin about freezing arms sales, is just all talk to appease the (Turkish) masses.

(Almost) No one wants a more powerful and influential Iran. Saudi Arabia serves an important geopolitical stabilization and counterbalance role in the region. Somehow this will all go away and be forgotten.
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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2018, 04:52:58 AM »
????
I could not disagree with you more.
Do you mean that the embassy is considered Saudi land? He was on Turkish soil until the Saudi’s lured him to his death. Did China have the right to lure the head of Interpol to the mainland so they could do away with him, since he ended up on their soil? I think others have a right to judge the Saudi actions based on their own moral standards, not Saudi rules.

Regardless of where it took place the world has a right to pass judgement on a nations actions.The world can condemn North Korea for putting millions of their own in concentration camps and starving and beating them even though it’s on North Korean land. The world can condemn China for forcing millions of Uighurs into “re-education camps” despite their taking place on Chinese soil. The same goes for the dozens of other countries and regimes that starve, beat, imprison, and murder various segments of their populations. Just because it takes place on your land doesn’t give you a moral pass.

The fact that the world turns a blind eye to all these ongoing atrocities , but is enraged at selective situations such as this one (as well as the “oppression of the Palestinian people” ) is a testament to world hypocrisy, political expediency trumping morality,  and might makes right.....

(As an aside, this is why the UN will never be an effective organization. It is not that it is a failure as an organization, just that it will always be a reflection of the behavior and moral compass of the nations that it is comprised of, and so it will always manifest the hypocrisy and lack of moral standards that are endemic to the counties in its membership.)

Learn what it means to have an embassy on foreign soil. It is considered 100% Saudia land. Period. I did not say I agree that he had a fair trial but lets not sit here crying about a hypocritical hater of Jews/Israel.

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Re: Jamal Khashoggi Murdered At Saudi Consulate
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2018, 09:01:34 AM »
It is considered 100% Saudia land. Period.
Not exactly.
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