Topic Wiki

Hashgacha

They are certified Kosher from the local Rabbanut. (Ein Bokek)
The meat is NOT Glatt.
The chicken is Rabbanut Mehadrin.
The cooking is Bishul Yisrael according to the Rema, not the Beit Yosef.
The vegetables are Gush Katif. The cabbage is NOT.

The Mashgiach says, the hard cheeses are not Mehadrin.

Breakfast:
- Breads, pastries, cakes - parbaked or raw frozen , Chasam Sofer Petach Tiqwa
- Packaged yogurts and puddings - some are B"datz . Rubin, but be careful some could be cholov nochri, check packaging
- Grapefruit and Orange Juice from Spout - PriMor ,Chasam Sofer Petach Tiqwa
- Hard Round Cheeses on cutting board- Cholov Nochri
- Gvina Levana, cottage cheese - .....................
- Feta, Bulgarian Cheeses - He claims Belz
- Some type of butter spread- some are cholov nochri
- Fish- He says B"datz ( he says B"datz about alot of things....), but its usually just herring and mackarel
- Tuna - He says B"datz, but there is usually some type of leafy veggie in there i.e. parsley
- Instant Coffee Machine - Cholov Yisroel of some rabbi in Ashkelon
- Espresso Station - Milk is usually Mehadrin Tnuva, you can look at the bag (Yes milk comes in a 5 gallon bag)
- Hot Stations- Not really sure, they serve dinner there also which is fleishig, I'm guessing they switch the stations, but i wouldn't....
- Produce - He says B"datz ( he says B"datz about alot of things....)
- Cereals- some are cholov nochri


Lounge:
Basically the same cakes and fruits as breakfast.

Mashgiach's number 050-892-2728
« Last edited by hakohen on August 04, 2013, 04:29:29 PM »

Author Topic: SPG Dead Sea (Left SPG 12/31/13)  (Read 180332 times)

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #280 on: December 28, 2012, 02:31:29 AM »
No, it needs to first have a pruta of vadai Maser on it. You don't have to sign up to some service, if you know someone that has a fruit tree you can make one yourself. Just make sure you make a mark or something on the coin, because there are major issues if you use it

But if you hold Rabbanut isn't kosher even lechumra, then it's OK.

״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline moish

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 10039
  • Total likes: 298
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: AA LT Plat, Avis, SPG Plat
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #281 on: December 28, 2012, 02:33:43 AM »
But if you hold Rabbanut isn't kosher even lechumra, then it's OK.


what do you mean? its always a safek

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #282 on: December 28, 2012, 02:37:21 AM »
what do you mean? its always a safek
So meikar hadin we consider it yes kosher or not kosher?
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline moish

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 10039
  • Total likes: 298
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: AA LT Plat, Avis, SPG Plat
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #283 on: December 28, 2012, 02:40:15 AM »
i have a safek whether they took maaser properly, i dont understand your question

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #284 on: December 28, 2012, 02:42:00 AM »
i have a safek whether they took maaser properly, i dont understand your question
There are halchos of how to decide sefaikos.

Which applies here?
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline moish

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 10039
  • Total likes: 298
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: AA LT Plat, Avis, SPG Plat
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #285 on: December 28, 2012, 02:43:05 AM »
There are halchos of how to decide sefaikos.

Which applies here?
to be clear, you are asking about buying vegetables at a rabanut produce store, not fruits and certainly not restaurants, correct?

Offline Drago

  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *********
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 8425
  • Total likes: 78
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 18
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #286 on: December 28, 2012, 02:47:51 AM »
No, it needs to first have a pruta of vadai Maser on it. You don't have to sign up to some service, if you know someone that has a fruit tree you can make one yourself. Just make sure you make a mark or something on the coin, because there are major issues if you use it
I have a fruit tree, and the coin is always set aside.

Offline moish

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 10039
  • Total likes: 298
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: AA LT Plat, Avis, SPG Plat
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #287 on: December 28, 2012, 02:50:03 AM »
I have a fruit tree, and the coin is always set aside.
did you start it off with a pruta of vadai maaser

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #288 on: December 28, 2012, 02:51:48 AM »
to be clear, you are asking about buying vegetables at a rabanut produce store, not fruits and certainly not restaurants, correct?
I would grade a rabbnut supervised hotel one level below a R produce store, but yes.

Any way, my point was you'd be hard pressed to find someone who holds Rabbanut is non-kosher meikar hadin even when the ramifications are to be matir something. The היכא תמצא might be rare, but it is irrelevant to the point. Once you establish Rabbnut is meikar hadןn and using every kula in the world kosher, whether or not you eat it is a hashkfa question (which is based on halachic evaluation of 'degree' of kuala)
I have a fruit tree, and the coin is always set aside.
Start a thread to share & save people from the karen hamasroos annual fee
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline moish

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 10039
  • Total likes: 298
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: AA LT Plat, Avis, SPG Plat
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #289 on: December 28, 2012, 02:54:15 AM »
I would grade a rabbnut supervised hotel one level below a R produce store, but yes.

you make me laugh sometimes

Offline Chaikel

  • Global Moderator
  • Dansdeals Lifetime Presidential Platinum Elite
  • **********
  • Join Date: Jun 2008
  • Posts: 6844
  • Total likes: 173
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 20
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: LH SEN, SPG Plat, Hyatt Plat, Rav Kav Platinum
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #290 on: December 28, 2012, 04:09:42 AM »
@PG even buying from an am ha'aretz is considered dmai. This has nothing to do with whether or not there was reliable masros taken, if there is a sofek then it wont work
Create professional looking itineraries.
Check out eliteitinerary.com

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #291 on: December 28, 2012, 04:15:12 AM »
@PG even buying from an am ha'aretz is considered dmai. This has nothing to do with whether or not there was reliable masros taken, if there is a sofek then it wont work
Fair enough.

Altough for the record demai is not safek. Its muttar medorisa & a specific takana derbanen to be machshiv it as safek (or something along those lines, shvere sugya).
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline dhalpern1

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 611
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
  • Programs: Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Hyatt Platinum, Fairmont Premier, Priority Club Platinum Elite
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #292 on: December 30, 2012, 09:57:40 PM »
The Meridian dead sea gets pretty much torn apart on rating sites like trip advisor etc.. Is this justified? Potentially looking to stay there since the 3K SPG point might be too good to pass up. Thanks.

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #293 on: December 30, 2012, 09:59:49 PM »
The Meridian dead sea gets pretty much torn apart on rating sites like trip advisor etc.. Is this justified? Potentially looking to stay there since the 3K SPG point might be too good to pass up. Thanks.
Its a horrible hotel like all others in Israel
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline dhalpern1

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 611
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
  • Programs: Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Hyatt Platinum, Fairmont Premier, Priority Club Platinum Elite
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #294 on: December 30, 2012, 10:05:45 PM »
Its a horrible hotel like all others in Israel

I guess i walked into that, assuming thats sarcasm. So are the bad reviews justified?

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #295 on: December 30, 2012, 10:07:02 PM »
I guess i walked into that, assuming thats sarcasm. So are the bad reviews justified?
It wasn't sarcastic.

Israelis have an attitude that to foreigners seems disgusting. It's the same in every Israeli establishment you'll visit.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline dhalpern1

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 611
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
  • Programs: Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Hyatt Platinum, Fairmont Premier, Priority Club Platinum Elite
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #296 on: December 30, 2012, 10:09:07 PM »
It wasn't sarcastic.

Israelis have an attitude that to foreigners seems disgusting. It's the same in every Israeli establishment you'll visit.

Bad attitudes are much better than dirty hotels, if its just that- I can deal with it.

Offline PlatinumGuy

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: Apr 2011
  • Posts: 15126
  • Total likes: 2451
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 11
    • View Profile
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #297 on: December 30, 2012, 10:10:02 PM »
Bad attitudes are much better than dirty hotels, if its just that- I can deal with it.
Its on par with top Israeli hotels besides the top 5 or so.
״וזה כלל גדול: שישנא אדם כל דבר שקר. וכל מה שיוסיף שנאה לדרכי השקר יוסיף אהבה לתורה.״ - אורחות צדיקים

Offline dhalpern1

  • Dansdeals Platinum Elite + Lifetime Silver Elite
  • *****
  • Join Date: Dec 2011
  • Posts: 611
  • Total likes: 0
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 2
    • View Profile
  • Location: NYC
  • Programs: Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Hyatt Platinum, Fairmont Premier, Priority Club Platinum Elite
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #298 on: December 30, 2012, 10:10:30 PM »
Its on par with top Israeli hotels besides the top 5 or so.

Great, thanks for your help.

Offline moish

  • Dansdeals Lifetime 10K Presidential Platinum Elite
  • *******
  • Join Date: May 2008
  • Posts: 10039
  • Total likes: 298
  • DansDeals.com Hat Tips 0
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
  • Programs: AA LT Plat, Avis, SPG Plat
Re: Re: Re: Hurray, SPG Dead Sea is back!!!
« Reply #299 on: December 31, 2012, 03:17:06 AM »
as long as you keep an open mind and not freak out if theres a scratch on the wall, you will enjoy it