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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #900 on: January 06, 2022, 02:23:15 PM »
OK so your issue is the vaccine might not be safe? That position I can understand.
can be not safe, although I dont know anyone that had adverse reactions. But we don't know long term affect. And don't promise the to open the world if you take only this one vaccine, and then give three boosters and you still need to sit on a plane with a mask...

(If I would need to take one vaccine and the world is opened to me, I would probably take it.)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #901 on: January 06, 2022, 02:24:27 PM »
Is gas expensive? How can you assertively say gas is expensive if it wasnít expensive last year and might be even more expensive next year?
I know today gas is $3.5 and a year ago was $2.50.  not possible to pay a year ago $2.50 and I learn now that it was really $3.50

what is your comparison. One is black and white, and one is still being studied.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #902 on: January 06, 2022, 02:26:33 PM »
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Itís one thing to pretend you believed that in December 2020, itís a bit late to still be holding that position in 2022.
We have no idea in 15-20 years if side effects are going to pop up.

Not related to covid I did extensive research on a treatment. They have data going out 7-10 years. They believe the 15-20 year data should mimic other similar treatments that have been around that long.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #903 on: January 06, 2022, 02:54:10 PM »
I know today gas is $3.5 and a year ago was $2.50.  not possible to pay a year ago $2.50 and I learn now that it was really $3.50

what is your comparison. One is black and white, and one is still being studied.
What was true today may not be true tomorrow. That doesnít make it ďwrongĒ today.
We have no idea in 15-20 years if side effects are going to pop up.

Not related to covid I did extensive research on a treatment. They have data going out 7-10 years. They believe the 15-20 year data should mimic other similar treatments that have been around that long.
Itís not really reasonable to expect a long term effect from a one time shot studied by literally millions of doctors and scientists around the world that leaves your body in a couple of days with no effects showing up on any post-shot scans of any part of the body. Now if you tell me you were going to expose yourself repeatedly to known toxins in a poorly understood area with minimal research having been performed, I get it.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #904 on: January 06, 2022, 03:01:57 PM »
What was true today may not be true tomorrow. That doesnít make it ďwrongĒ today.
I'm not getting into the discussion, but your analogy is dead wrong. Gas prices are high today if the price of gas is high today, regardless of what happened in the past or will happen in the future. A vaccine is only safe today if it's safe in the future, if it won't be safe in the future it is not safe today.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #905 on: January 06, 2022, 03:04:35 PM »
I'm not getting into the discussion, but...
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #906 on: January 06, 2022, 07:45:29 PM »
I'm not getting into the discussion, but your analogy is dead wrong. Gas prices are high today if the price of gas is high today, regardless of what happened in the past or will happen in the future. A vaccine is only safe today if it's safe in the future, if it won't be safe in the future it is not safe today.
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The claim was that vaccines are completely ineffective. That is obviously very much dependent on the circumstances- the flu shot is adapted to the most prevalent strain each year.

with the 4th Jab now for some in a year, don't they realize how ridiculous this is? the jab does nothing. they can still get sick with covid, still transmit, just like any non vaxxed. Im literally baffled at this point what exactly the vaccine does. If you will say they get less sick, well even non vaxxed are being less sick now when they get covid.

so what exactly does the vaccine do?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #907 on: January 06, 2022, 09:17:14 PM »
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The claim was that vaccines are completely ineffective. That is obviously very much dependent on the circumstances- the flu shot is adapted to the most prevalent strain each year.
What does that have to do with the price of gas?
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #908 on: January 06, 2022, 09:29:23 PM »
What does that have to do with the price of gas?
That guidance changes based on new information (such as the fact that while the vaccine still seems to protect somewhat against severe disease and death it doesnít do as much against infection, while initially it worked very well to stop infection against Alpha/Delta).

Things change, it doesnít mean people were wrong or lying.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #909 on: January 06, 2022, 11:26:54 PM »
i actually believe Doctors and Science. But I don't believe Fauci because he was very certain about details, and then backtracked.

I have personally had decent conversations with a few Doctors, they all said you must vaccinate, but when I asked why the flip flop of certain details, they all answered because we didn't know then what we know now. So how are you assertive if a year ago you didn't know.  this proves that you can't release a vaccine quickly and it needs years of trial. 

instead of calling people names, make a compelling argument. Just remember that details regarding vaccine change every day so whatever argument you make now might not be valid in a month from now :P

But the funny thing about this they did know. Similar viruses existed before. They are basically clinging on to useless mandates when they basically admitted defeat. This is going to resolve its self nothing we can do.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #910 on: January 06, 2022, 11:29:58 PM »
They are basically clinging on to useless mandates when they basically admitted defeat. This is going to resolve its self nothing we can do.
Vaccines are credited with saving many lives.
Mandates are credited with getting more people vaccinated.
Mandates saved lives but don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #911 on: January 06, 2022, 11:34:11 PM »
Mandates are credited with getting more people to lie and cheat
lying and cheating doesnít save any lives but don't let facts get in the way of your feelings.

FTFY :P
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #912 on: January 06, 2022, 11:45:19 PM »
FTFY :P
I can back up every one of my claims in that post. Can you?  :)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #913 on: January 07, 2022, 12:25:42 AM »
I can back up every one of my claims in that post. Can you?  :)

The claim that mandates cause people to commit fraud to be considered vaccinated? Itís been all over the news, people have gotten arrested, others have lost their jobs.

Iím all for vaccines, but not sure about mandates, especially with Omicron.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #914 on: January 07, 2022, 09:24:42 AM »
The claim that mandates cause people to commit fraud to be considered vaccinated? Itís been all over the news, people have gotten arrested, others have lost their jobs.

Iím all for vaccines, but not sure about mandates, especially with Omicron.
When you FTFY it is because the statement was incorrect. You didn't add to my statement but changed it.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #915 on: January 07, 2022, 10:13:56 AM »
FTFY :P
Whether mandates are good or not, let's not pretend that no one actually got vaccinated due to the mandate.

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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #916 on: January 07, 2022, 10:33:03 AM »
Whether mandates are good or not, let's not pretend that no one actually got vaccinated due to the mandate.
I am sure many companies like UA with a 99%+ rate had nothing to do with mandates.  ;)
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #917 on: January 07, 2022, 10:45:02 AM »
I am sure many companies like UA with a 99%+ rate had nothing to do with mandates.  ;)

Iím sure that itís more than 1 or 2 united employees that counted towards that 99% with fraudulent proof. United likely knows this but likes the 99% figure, so theyíre complicit/lying too.

It might not be what youíre saying, but mandates perpetuate falsehood, especially with the US not having centralized/fraud-resistant vaccination records
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #918 on: January 07, 2022, 10:51:49 AM »
It might not be what youíre saying, but mandates perpetuate falsehood, especially with the US not having centralized/fraud-resistant vaccination records
Would you agree with or without mandates these people committing fraud would not get vaccinated anyway?
The only difference is they didn't get vaccinated and committed fraud in the process.
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Re: Vaccine Mandates
« Reply #919 on: January 07, 2022, 04:07:47 PM »
This is so sad. If the government had the power (they don't) I forcibly inject these people.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/qanon-star-who-said-only-idiots-get-vax-dies-of-covid/ar-AASxG9E?ocid=msedgntp
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