Author Topic: Is It Ethical? (Read 645125 times)

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1480 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:24:06 AM »

Quote from: Emkay on October 30, 2014, 05:49:10 AM

probably not illegal but bordering on thievery

thievery is legal?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1481 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:26:05 AM »

Quote from: Emkay on October 30, 2014, 06:08:58 AM

so then I misunderstood you. I thought you complained and told them that even though it was fine.
What would be unethical about it, so long as you didn't lie?

Quote from: EMCC on October 30, 2014, 01:18:53 AM

Is it ethical to request compensation from a hotel even if nothing was really bad.

EMCC · « **Reply #1482 on:** October 30, 2014, 06:37:10 AM »

Nothing was very bad. It was a good bed, clean shower, great pool, I just thought it was a horrible value for money. I wrote a very polite and nice email. I explained that it was acceptable, but I was not satisfied.

Emkay · « **Reply #1483 on:** October 30, 2014, 07:02:00 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 30, 2014, 06:24:06 AM

thievery is legal?

Some forms of it, for example-taxes

lunatic · « **Reply #1484 on:** October 30, 2014, 07:59:36 AM »

Quote from: EMCC on October 30, 2014, 06:37:10 AM

Nothing was very bad. It was a good bed, clean shower, great pool, I just thought it was a horrible value for money. I wrote a very polite and nice email. I explained that it was acceptable, but I was not satisfied.

What were you expecting?

TimT · « **Reply #1485 on:** October 30, 2014, 08:56:52 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 30, 2014, 02:55:44 AM

This one borders on being illegal.

Why should it be illegal ? He emailed them saying honestly how he felt. If they choose to refund him then that's their choice. He's not walking off with their stuff as compensation.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1486 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:34:23 AM »

Quote from: TimT on October 30, 2014, 08:56:52 AM

Why should it be illegal ? He emailed them saying honestly how he felt.

That is not what the first post said.

TimT · « **Reply #1487 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:37:49 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 30, 2014, 09:34:23 AM

That is not what the first post said.

Quote from: EMCC on October 30, 2014, 01:18:53 AM

Is it ethical to request compensation from a hotel even if nothing was really bad. I emailed a high end hotel after my stay and told them I felt like it was a rip off and did not fell good about my stay and requested half of the value of the stay as a compensation. They obliged.

skyguy918 · « **Reply #1488 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:50:22 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 30, 2014, 09:34:23 AM

That is not what the first post said.

'Nothing was really bad' means they didn't find roaches in the room, or get woken up by loud noises every night, or any number of other things that would be unacceptable no matter the hotel. Those are more typical compensation requests.

Sport · « **Reply #1489 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:55:30 AM »

Perhaps this is what's causing te confusion. "Nothing was really bad" can be understood in 2 ways.
1. Nothing was actually wrong, and I was just complaining to get compensation.
2. Nothing was extremely bad, but it wasn't great or as good as it should be.

EMCC · « **Reply #1490 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:58:10 AM »

Quote from: Sport on October 30, 2014, 09:55:30 AM

Perhaps this is what's causing te confusion. "Nothing was really bad" can be understood in 2 ways.
1. Nothing was actually wrong, and I was just complaining to get compensation.
2. Nothing was extremely bad, but it wasn't great or as good as it should be.

Nothing actually wrong.

TimT · « **Reply #1491 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:58:18 AM »

Quote from: Sport on October 30, 2014, 09:55:30 AM

Perhaps this is what's causing te confusion. "Nothing was really bad" can be understood in 2 ways.
1. Nothing was actually wrong, and I was just complaining to get compensation.
2. Nothing was extremely bad, but it wasn't great or as good as it should be.

If you're staying at a high end hotel you should be treated as such. If they treat you like a 3 star nothing was bad but that's not what you're paying for.

Sport · « **Reply #1492 on:** October 30, 2014, 09:59:22 AM »

Quote from: EMCC on October 30, 2014, 09:58:10 AM

Actually bad.

Quote from: TimT on October 30, 2014, 09:58:18 AM

If you're staying at a high end hotel you should be treated as such. If they treat you like a 3 star nothing was bad but that's not what you're paying for.

Then I retract.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1493 on:** October 30, 2014, 10:04:29 AM »

Quote from: Sport on October 30, 2014, 09:55:30 AM

Perhaps this is what's causing te confusion. "Nothing was really bad" can be understood in 2 ways.
1. Nothing was actually wrong, and I was just complaining to get compensation.
2. Nothing was extremely bad, but it wasn't great or as good as it should be.

We have a winner!

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #1494 on:** October 30, 2014, 10:07:33 AM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on October 30, 2014, 10:04:29 AM

We have a winner!

I seem to detect a pattern in this thread. Every argument turns out to be just a confusion over the definition of the question...

skyguy918 · « **Reply #1495 on:** October 30, 2014, 10:07:42 AM »

To answer the actual question, if you're being honest with yourself and really were not satisfied with what you received given what you spent (which it sounds like is the case), I'd have no ethical qualms about asking for a partial refund. After that, it's up to the hotel to decide whether to give the refund.

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #1496 on:** October 30, 2014, 10:21:24 AM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on October 30, 2014, 10:07:33 AM

I seem to detect a pattern in this thread. Every argument turns out to be just a confusion over the definition of the question...

...some members like to create confusion.

@Yehuda · « **Reply #1497 on:** November 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM »

Quote from: @Yehuda on October 19, 2014, 09:24:33 PM

Right gotcha. Thanks for the input. Will bring up the discussion with my Rabbi again.

Just shmoozed with my Rabbi. After explaining to him the idea that the bank can look up your history based on your SSN whether you have a new FFN or not, he said then he doesn't think there's an issue with churning even with a new FFN. You're looking at a happy guy here today

I also found out that when he was in college, he did a mileage run for someone! LOL Someone paid him to fly something like NYC-STL-ORD-IAD-DFW-IAD-NYC and I was like, that's a mileage run and he's like yeah. I was really impressed.

lunatic · « **Reply #1498 on:** November 09, 2014, 10:15:55 AM »

Quote from: @Yehuda on November 09, 2014, 10:04:54 AM

Just shmoozed with my Rabbi. After explaining to him the idea that the bank can look up your history based on your SSN whether you have a new FFN or not, he said then he doesn't think there's an issue with churning even with a new FFN. You're looking at a happy guy here today

I also found out that when he was in college, he did a mileage run for someone! LOL Someone paid him to fly something like NYC-STL-ORD-IAD-DFW-IAD-NYC and I was like, that's a mileage run and he's like yeah. I was really impressed.

What if the application specifically asks, do you have a ffn? If you say no, you are lying (granted, they can track the SSN, but can the airline?)

Joe4007 · « **Reply #1499 on:** November 09, 2014, 10:25:25 AM »

Quote from: bzuckerman59 on November 09, 2014, 10:15:55 AM

What if the application specifically asks, do you have a ffn? If you say no, you are lying (granted, they can track the SSN, but can the airline?)

Why would he ever say no? He'd enter his new FFN.

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