Grocery price discrepancies

[jye]

איבלע לי ואנא איכול

If we poskened straight from that gemara thousands of pages of teshuvos would never have been written.

[imayid2]

If we poskened straight from that gemara thousands of pages of teshuvos would never have been written.

Because the Gemara isn’t talking about where we have ידים מוכיחות that the worms migrated from elsewhere in the fish.

[ya]

Very normal. Monsey. $34.99 wild or $18.99 for baby salmon

[aygart]

If we poskened straight from that gemara thousands of pages of teshuvos would never have been written.

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That is the psak of the shulchan aruch and 2000 years of poskim very consistently.

[aygart]

Because the Gemara isn’t talking about where we have ידים מוכיחות that the worms migrated from elsewhere in the fish.

1. There is no reason at all to think that there is a difference.
2. There is ZERO evidence of any ידים מוכיחות that changed and a TON of evidence that it is EXACTLY the same as it has been for thousands of years.

[imayid2]

1. There is no reason at all to think that there is a difference.

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2. There is ZERO evidence of any ידים מוכיחות that changed and a TON of evidence that it is EXACTLY the same as it has been for thousands of years.

That’s what you say. Many say otherwise.

[aygart]

-1000That’s what you say. Many say otherwise.

Not going to get into this now, but they are simply wrong on the facts.

[imayid2]

Not going to get into this now, but they are simply wrong on the facts.

Rabbi J. D. Bleich is pretty good with facts. He doesn’t think so.

[aygart]

Rabbi J. D. Bleich is pretty good with facts. He doesn’t think so.

I am aware of his article. There is ZERO evidence of any change in the facts. Nobody has ever been able to point to any at all. I would need to look back at my notes about where exactly his leap was.

[imayid2]

I am aware of his article. There is ZERO evidence of any change in the facts. Nobody has ever been able to point to any at all. I would need to look back at my notes about where exactly his leap was.

It is ironic to claim the high ground with “facts” in order to be matir.

[aygart]

It is ironic to claim the high ground with “facts” in order to be matir.

Not sure what the irony is.
I also have 2000 years of psak halacha saying they are mutar.

[imayid2]

Not sure what the irony is.

https://traditiononline.org/survey-of-recent-halakhic-periodical-literature-piscatorial-parasites/
In the opinion of this writer, the halakhic arguments of those who prohibit Anisakis-infested fish are compelling. Moreover, their resolution of the underlying confrontation serves to affirm the veracity of talmudic teaching without ignoring empirical reality and does so in a manner that is intellectually consistent.

I also have 2000 years of psak halacha saying they are mutar.

No, that is simply false. Not in instances where it is clear they migrated and came from elsewhere.

[CountValentine]

Very normal. Monsey. $34.99 wild or $18.99 for baby salmon

Someone is making a killing.

[Yehuda57]

Someone is making a killing.

That's pretty cheap for Monsey fish, those things talk

[imayid2]

No, that is simply false. Not in instances where it is clear they migrated and came from elsewhere.

Ibid:
A fair reading of the pub- lished material exposes such charges as spurious. The authorities who prohibit consumption of fish infested with Anisakis assert simply that the Sages never claimed that all “creeping things” found in the flesh of ani- mals or fish are spontaneously generated. Hence, in situations in which there is evidence to the contrary, such organisms must be regarded as forbidden.

[aygart]

https://traditiononline.org/survey-of-recent-halakhic-periodical-literature-piscatorial-parasites/
In the opinion of this writer, the halakhic arguments of those who prohibit Anisakis-infested fish are compelling. Moreover, their resolution of the underlying confrontation serves to affirm the veracity of talmudic teaching without ignoring empirical reality and does so in a manner that is intellectually consistent.No, that is simply false. Not in instances where it is clear they migrated and came from elsewhere.

I understand that he writes this. Note that his basic premise is that they are forbidden because the scientists say (with ample evidence) that there is a life cycle. The remainder is to try and explain why this is not contradictory to the gemara. Is that the position you are taking? If yes, then that is a different story and we will be able to remove most of siman 84 from the SA.

It is not at all clear that they migrated.

[imayid2]

Is that the position you are taking? If yes, then that is a different story and we will be able to remove most of siman 84 from the SA.

The rudimentary answer to this is that when it’s אינו נראה לעין it qualifies as nonexistent. That keeps 84 in place for those cases. And I don’t share R. Bleichs confidence in believing it is נראה לעין at 14 microns wide. That’s what it boils down to. This is also the view of Rav Shloma Miller Shlita. There are some other factors as well. But it’s entirely unfair to dismiss the question out of hand because “it’s just another same old tumult”.

[aygart]

This is also the view of Rav Shloma Miller Shlita.

-1000.... (there is not enough space for all of the zeros) and I discussed this with him personally many times.

But it’s entirely unfair to dismiss the question out of hand because “it’s just another same old tumult”.

Not sure where you got that from. That is about as far from what is happening as can possibly be the case.

Either way, this is guaranteed to be an endless discussion as it has been for about 13 years since I did all this research. I am well aware of probably all of the sources you will bring and have given shiurim and written about it as well as having discussed it with numerous gedolei haposkim.
But it happens to be that it absolutely is the same old tumult including who held what.

[imayid2]

It is not at all clear that they migrated.

So that should be a main focus of those involved in the question. Honestly ascertaining if that’s true. Lots of people think it is, and the matirim dismissed it out of hand as contrary to the Gemara.

[aygart]

and the matirim dismissed it out of hand as contrary to the Gemara.

This is false.