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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #560 on: July 31, 2022, 09:07:39 PM »
You can say that about any seeming act of altruism, or you can choose another more positive outlook such as “to be a nice guy”. Every good deed also has the side effect of making the benefactor feel righteous.

It’s interesting that you immediately chose the more pessimistic stance. Is this an emotionally laden subject for you?
You weren't clear about the circumstances of the mentioned transaction so I wrote that as one of the options. With the additional details mentioned that wouldn't be the reason and Seemingly the other option I mentioned about trying to make sure the sale doesn't fall apart was more on the mark. It may have been done altruistically as well. I once had a realtor who took care of all the township inspections for me to ensure the sale happened on time.

As a Landlord my interests are not aligned with excessive tenant protections but the attitudes expressed by the OP get me upset. I can be pro yashrus and halacha even if it doesn't serve my interests.
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #561 on: July 31, 2022, 09:50:22 PM »
You weren't clear about the circumstances of the mentioned transaction so I wrote that as one of the options. With the additional details mentioned that wouldn't be the reason and Seemingly the other option I mentioned about trying to make sure the sale doesn't fall apart was more on the mark. I once had a realtor who took care of all the township inspections for me to ensure the sale happened on time.
Yes, but why didn’t you offer “trying to be nice” as an option? That one is actually closest to the truth. Many times our positive actions have beneficial aspects for us as well, intentional or not, but that shouldn’t detract from the overarching goodness of trying to be kind. The option of “feeling like a tzadik” is an inherently cynical way of viewing the primary positive behavior, namely acting like a tzadik.

As a Landlord my interests are not aligned with excessive tenant protections but the attitudes expressed by the OP get me upset.
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #562 on: July 31, 2022, 11:15:26 PM »
Yes the sense of entitlement of the OP not caring about a binding contract or what is right and looking shop batei din absolutely hit a raw nerve.

That is one way to look at his post.  I chose to see it as the post of someone frustrated and somewhat desperate.

Should he have worded it better?  Yes. 

Should we understand his frustration?  In my opinion, also yes.

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #563 on: July 31, 2022, 11:17:56 PM »
That is one way to look at his post.  I chose to see it as the post of someone frustrated and somewhat desperate.

Should he have worded it better?  Yes. 

Should we understand his frustration?  In my opinion, also yes.
Sorry I disagree. His tenants were being perfectly reasonable and he was being a total jerk
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #564 on: July 31, 2022, 11:23:40 PM »
Why should the fact that they are behaving reasonably make him less frustrated? 

He went into a situation, assuming (wrongly) that he could raise the rent to market value, only to find that he can't.  How does that make him a jerk?

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #565 on: July 31, 2022, 11:32:19 PM »
Why should the fact that they are behaving reasonably make him less frustrated? 

He went into a situation, assuming (wrongly) that he could raise the rent to market value, only to find that he can't.  How does that make him a jerk?
How he behaved after finding that out.
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #566 on: July 31, 2022, 11:36:44 PM »
Why should the fact that they are behaving reasonably make him less frustrated? 

He went into a situation, assuming (wrongly) that he could raise the rent to market value, only to find that he can't.  How does that make him a jerk?
I don’t like calling anyone a jerk, but you kind of answered your own question- don’t buy a property in a different town without knowing the ins and outs of how raising rent works and assume the tenant will say sure(and if your only plan for how to make money on the deal calls for raising the rent make double sure you can do what you want to do). In short it is on the buyer to do his due diligence and not feel entitled to doing as he pleases- caveat emptor(I know it isn’t exactly this case, but the point is there)
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #567 on: July 31, 2022, 11:42:13 PM »
I don’t like calling anyone a jerk, but you kind of answered your own question- don’t buy a property in a different town without knowing the ins and outs of how raising rent works and assume the tenant will say sure(and if your only plan for how to make money on the deal calls for raising the rent make double sure you can do what you want to do). In short it is on the buyer to do his due diligence and not feel entitled to doing as he pleases- caveat emptor(I know it isn’t exactly this case, but the point is there)

This makes him naïve and uninformed (or maximum stupid), not a jerk.

I did not say that I agree with his attitude, just that I can understand how frustration can lead to such an attitude.

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #568 on: July 31, 2022, 11:44:43 PM »
This makes him naïve and uninformed (or maximum stupid), not a jerk.

I did not say that I agree with his attitude, just that I can understand how frustration can lead to such an attitude.
Why would he feel that the tenants need to just roll over and acquiesce just because he wants more money? He got so upset at them because they did the terrible sin of making a counter offer?
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #569 on: July 31, 2022, 11:46:04 PM »
This makes him naïve and uninformed (or maximum stupid), not a jerk.

I did not say that I agree with his attitude, just that I can understand how frustration can lead to such an attitude.
again I’m not calling anyone a jerk, but if you are naïve and stupid and then rail against someone else (like it is the tenant that is the problem) some may say that constitutes as “jerk-like” behavior
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #570 on: July 31, 2022, 11:46:44 PM »
This makes him naïve and uninformed (or maximum stupid), not a jerk.

I did not say that I agree with his attitude, just that I can understand how frustration can lead to such an attitude.

Look at their update in the OP! Look at the follow up posts. They all but spell out, "I don't care about being a jerk".

If they got into this based on bad advice and not understanding things fully, that's their own fault. But there has been zero reflection or reckoning, just a bull headed drive towards a single selfish goal with zero care for collateral damage. What is a jerk if not that?

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #571 on: August 01, 2022, 12:48:07 AM »
Look at their update in the OP! Look at the follow up posts. They all but spell out, "I don't care about being a jerk".

If they got into this based on bad advice and not understanding things fully, that's their own fault. But there has been zero reflection or reckoning, just a bull headed drive towards a single selfish goal with zero care for collateral damage. What is a jerk if not that?
Correct he pretty much said it straight out. And a person who says "I don't care about being a jerk" most definitely is a Jerk :)
The whole premise of 'oy I won't make money how can I evict' sounds narcissistically entitled. Do your homework and figure out ur bottom line before you make a purchase. I own properties it is my responsibility to make it work not my renter's responsibility.

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #572 on: August 01, 2022, 02:39:52 PM »
Looks like this thread hasn't been getting enough love lately, as there hasn't been a single reply in the last 12 hours.

Is there anything we could do to revamp the discussion?

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #573 on: August 01, 2022, 02:42:44 PM »
Looks like this thread hasn't been getting enough love lately, as there hasn't been a single reply in the last 12 hours.

Is there anything we could do to revamp the discussion?

 :)

Ask @Sienna for an update.

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #574 on: August 01, 2022, 02:47:24 PM »
Looks like this thread hasn't been getting enough love lately, as there hasn't been a single reply in the last 12 hours.

Is there anything we could do to revamp the discussion?

 :)
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #575 on: August 01, 2022, 02:54:50 PM »
Been circular/stale for days now.
Got to start an “I’m a morah in Lakewood and I’ve got to raise my fees mid-year. Which Rav will give me the ok?” thread.

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #576 on: August 01, 2022, 02:55:53 PM »
Been circular/stale for days now.

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #577 on: August 01, 2022, 02:57:56 PM »


Throw it some popcorn to increase the speed.
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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #578 on: August 01, 2022, 02:59:59 PM »
Got to start an “I’m a morah in Lakewood and I’ve got to raise my fees mid-year. Which Rav will give me the ok?” thread.
Talking about babysitters/playgroup Morahs, if my wage doubled in 3-4 years while doing the same job and having the same experience....Wow. Anyways, I have no issues paying them what they want, just that the rest of the jobs have to keep up with their pace.

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Re: I need to evict a tenant in Lakewood ASAP
« Reply #579 on: August 01, 2022, 03:12:28 PM »
Talking about babysitters/playgroup Morahs, if my wage doubled in 3-4 years while doing the same job and having the same experience....Wow. Anyways, I have no issues paying them what they want, just that the rest of the jobs have to keep up with their pace.
Your house doubled. Your (new) basement tenant is paying double. Your secretary straight out of seminary is getting 25 an hour. Why should the Morahs be charging the prices they did when Lakewood was a yeshiva town with one bagel shop? They are still an amazing bargain relative to other communities.

Some morahs who locked in rates too early are practically breaking even after factoring in the rental value of the basement they are foregoing, the increased cost of an assistant, and supplies.
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