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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #60 on: June 01, 2023, 07:18:33 AM »
He held this about ALL airports? like even Lakewood Municipal Airport? Or just airports more or less outside the city limits?
Lechora an international airport or one so large-scale that it may as well be international. RYBs said not outside limits when he said it over, but rather, "ir bifnei atzmo" without a minhag to keep Yom Tov. But I don't have a source inside.
For instance, I would be too nervous in Stewart.
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #61 on: June 01, 2023, 11:04:05 AM »
Lechora an international airport or one so large-scale that it may as well be international. RYBs said not outside limits when he said it over, but rather, "ir bifnei atzmo" without a minhag to keep Yom Tov. But I don't have a source inside.
For instance, I would be too nervous in Stewart.
What about JFK? LGA? walkable and within techum (lechorah) to a few yiddishe Kehilos

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #62 on: June 01, 2023, 01:33:14 PM »
What about JFK? LGA? walkable and within techum (lechorah) to a few yiddishe Kehilos

LGA is JFK is not.
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #63 on: June 02, 2023, 03:10:43 AM »
That's why I said what I said. I'll try to be clearer:

RYBs said the cheshbon is not that the airport is OUTSIDE a place with a minhag. Rather, the airport is an "ir bifnei atzmo" and this particular "ir" has NO minhag.

As posted above, I have since discovered not everyone agrees. But I still have no inside sources.
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #64 on: June 02, 2023, 07:28:37 AM »
IIRC there was a difference of opinion between RSZ and Rav Elyashiv of why melacha in a airport would be mutar.

According to Rav Elyashiv - since an airport is outside the techum it therefore doesn't have the status of the Ir (Similar to the Svara of RYB).

According to RSZ- in an airport there is no chashad of Maras Ayin, in a regular place if one sees one doing melacha his first reaction, hey, why is he doing melacha and then only afterwards might he realise that he's a ben EY.
In a airport however, since it is for travelling - people will autimatically assume that hes a ben EY and that's why he's doing melacha. Since there is no Chashad, Chazal weren't gozer.

According, there would potentially be a nafka mina if one landed in a airport which is the city...

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2023, 02:44:31 AM »
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Question: Feigy hates fish, and even more than fish she cannot even look at vegetables. Even though she grew up Chassidish and her mother and Bubby worked on her for over a decade, she never gave in and survived on eating pasta with ketchup and nutty-chews ever since she was a kid. Then came the day where the Roov of the Sheeel Redt the Shidduch. Yanky Goldfetter, the goldene Booocher from the Satmar Yeshiva Gedoilah in Monroe County. At the B’Show on Shabbos afternoon, all was goin Gleiych (smooth), until Mrs. Goldfetter found out that her daughter-in-law to-be didn't eat Gefilte fish. A Reeezigeh (HUGE!) red flag!

An intense energy filled the room and the Shidduch was about to be called off. Feigy was desperate to get married, as she had been in Shidduchim for a whole five months since her seventeenth birthday and was nervous that if she didn't marry Yanky that she would be single forever. She quickly mustered up the strength and told her parents and her future in-laws that she would eat Gefilte fish if that was a deal breaker. Yanky’s mother agreed to her offer but told her that she would have to prove herself. Right here and right now, right in front of Yanky and the Gansa Mishpooocha. What a Boosha! Feigy’s mother went upstairs to get some leftover Gefilte fish from the Shabbos day Seudah and to her surprise, Feigy’s younger sister Genendel had finished all the Gefilte fish! Realizing the dire situation, Feigy’s mother looked high and low and Boooreeech Hasheiym found a jar of canned jelly Gefilte Fish leftover from two years ago Pesach.

She quickly brought it downstairs and Yanky’s mother scooped out a ball of the Gefilte Fish with a beautiful carrot and placed it on the plate in front of Feigy. All eyes were on Feigy. Would she eat the Gefilte and marry Yanky, the Tzadikl Boocher, or would she be single forever. Realizing she had no other choice, she decided she was gonna do it. But there was one thing she couldn’t do. As much as she hated fish, the idea of eating any vegetable, especially a carrot marinated in Gefilte Fish jelly, was something she could not handle.

She thought to herself “let me just flick this appalling carrot off the fish, surely that won’t break the Shidduch! But wait, maybe removing this carrot is an Issur D’Oraysa of Borer!” Is Feigy allowed to remove the carrot from her Gefilte Fish?



Answer: Azah Groisah Shaas HaDchak! The Shidduch is Mamish on the line! Separating one thing from another on Shabbos is Assur unless the following three conditions are met:

1) one must separate the good from the bad;
2) the separation must be done by hand and not with a separating utensil; and
3) the persons intention must be to use the item immediately.

Now, regarding separating two things that are mixed together yet are clearly independently recognizable, the Rama Paskens like the Terumas HaDeshen who holds that (unless the three conditions which make Borer permitted are met) the Issur of Borer applies to any two foods which are mixed together, even though each food is independently recognizable, such as tuna and salmon which are mixed together in a poke bowl.

The Beur Halacha (319:3 ד׳׳ה לאכל מיד) explains however that we Pasken like the Terumas HaDeshen only in situations of Borer D’Oraysa, such as when someone wants to remove an item which he considers good, from an item which he considers bad. However, in a situation of Borer D’Rabanan, such as were one wants to remove an upper food from on top of a lower food, just so the lower food can be accessed and not because he does not want to eat the upper food, then Borer in this case would be Mutar, since doing so is considered a Melacha SheAina Tzricha L’Gufa, which means an action that is not being done for the sake of the Melacha (AKA the Borer), rather it is being done solely for the sake of accessing the lower food.

Additionally, the reason why Borer is prohibited, is because when one separates something they don’t want from something the do want, the item they do want is enhanced, which is know as Tikun Maachal. However, when one removes an upper food from a lower food solely for the sake of accessing the lower food, the lower food is not being enhanced by the removal of the upper food, making removing the upper food Mutar.

In our case however, since Feigy finds the carrot appalling and views the removal of the carrot as a type of rectification of her Gefilte Fish, then removing the carrot is going to be Assur, since she is removing the carrot not for the sake of accessing the lower Gefilte fish, but rather to rid the horrendously disgusting carrot from her food, making this similar to the classic case of Borer D’Oraysa since there is a clearly identifiable food which she considers good and food which she considers bad.

Feigy, on behalf of Yidden everywhere, we empathize, sympathize, and apologize for what you’re about to go through. Open up!
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2023, 08:16:49 AM »
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2023, 01:12:37 AM »
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Random Purim vibes? Anyway, it's Beesha, not Boosha.

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2023, 01:27:29 AM »
Random Purim vibes? Anyway, it's Beesha, not Boosha.
I'll tell him.  ;)
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2023, 06:40:15 AM »
I'll tell him.  ;)
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2023, 10:44:50 AM »
Since when is borer an issue on a weekday?
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #71 on: August 04, 2023, 10:53:24 AM »
Since when is borer an issue on a weekday?
“At the B’Show on Shabbos afternoon”

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #72 on: August 04, 2023, 10:59:21 AM »
“At the B’Show on Shabbos afternoon”
missed that part :)
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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #73 on: August 06, 2023, 10:37:27 AM »
Inar, but it's not mamash borer when one thing is on top of the other and not mixed. I don't have the proper definition, but afaik if one thing is merely sitting on top of the other, not mixed and not attached, especially if it's relatively big, it's not mamash borer

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2023, 10:52:48 AM »
Inar, but it's not mamash borer when one thing is on top of the other and not mixed. I don't have the proper definition, but afaik if one thing is merely sitting on top of the other, not mixed and not attached, especially if it's relatively big, it's not mamash borer
Biur Halacha about garments on top of each other. Definitely a problem.

Difference here is that they are totally different sizes and clearly distinguishable. Shouldn’t necessarily fall under the trumas hadeshen.

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2023, 06:21:38 PM »
Biur Halacha about garments on top of each other. Definitely a problem.
Is it a problem to take off the top garment?

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2023, 06:24:06 PM »
Is it a problem to take off the top garment?
IIRC it’s a מחלוקת, so that’s a good point according to the matirim

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2023, 06:37:57 PM »
IIRC it’s a מחלוקת, so that’s a good point according to the matirim
And if it's only 2 garments?

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2023, 07:18:10 PM »
And if it's only 2 garments?
I don’t remember that specifically making the difference. But it definitely should be a factor in the equation that it doesn’t seem to be a תערובות. A minimal number of items, totally different sizes and colors.

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Re: Random Halacha
« Reply #79 on: August 07, 2023, 12:59:24 AM »
Difference here is that they are totally different sizes and clearly distinguishable. Shouldn’t necessarily fall under the trumas hadeshen.
Checked it up in my פרדס יצחק which is an encyclopedia on borer. Many indeed say it’s permitted for this reason.

@mevinyavin can you relay to Rabbi Stillerman please? Last thing we need is for another guy to have to put out another series called דור ליקוטי בתר ליקוטי because he missed some מר״מ, confusing enough as is :P