(False) Accusations Of Kehot Forgery

[imayid2]

Yes, it's all the Lubavitchers fault that Kaminetzky made a fool of himself by buying into to a ridiculous conspiracy theory...

Not what I said or meant.

The fact that someone took his frustration too far doesn’t mean that there isn’t a reason to be frustrated.

[gozalim]

Yup. How frustrating.
A libel is continuously, still, propagated that our grandparents were two steps from the church door, and the people who tried killing us were actually out to help us.
But how frustrating of us to defend our grandparents integrity as upstanding Jews

[imayid2]

, and the people who tried killing us were actually out to help us.

No one said this.

[gozalim]

No one said this.

that's the part that bothered you?
I figured that's the part that anyone needs to hold on to...

[Yehuda57]

It’s the frustration with the outlook that he ends off with which fuels these conspiracies.

Yet there was no frustration with the initial conspiracy theory you heard. You took it at face value. Funny how *that* was the one disproven entirely. But the guy putting forth the accurate version of events has a "problematic outlook" when he posits the reasoning for a blatant falsehood being promulgated.

[imayid2]

Yet there was no frustration with the initial conspiracy theory you heard. You took it at face value. Funny how *that* was the one disproven entirely. But the guy putting forth the accurate version of events has a "problematic outlook" when he posits the reasoning for a blatant falsehood being promulgated.

(Didn’t take it at face value.) I didn’t have frustration with it, precisely because I share some of the overall frustration, which to him is much more personal.

[zh cohen]

No one said this.

Glad you are conceding that the Mekor Baruch's story was made up.

[aygart]

Glad you are conceding that the Mekor Baruch's story was made up.

I don't see that in what he wrote at all. You and some others here need to get past your preconceived notions here.

[Yehuda57]

I don't see that in what he wrote at all. You and some others here need to get past your preconceived notions here.

Once again, it's Intresting to see who needs to get past preconceived notions and who doesn't.

[aygart]

Once again, it's Intresting to see who needs to get past preconceived notions and who doesn't.

I think he conceded that the  evidence points to the current version being the correct one.

[aygart]

Once again, it's Intresting to see who needs to get past preconceived notions and who doesn't.

I think he conceded that the  evidence points to the current version being the correct one.

[Yehuda57]

I think he conceded that the  evidence points to the current version being the correct one.

And yet

Yet there was no frustration with the initial conspiracy theory you heard. You took it at face value. Funny how *that* was the one disproven entirely. But the guy putting forth the accurate version of events has a "problematic outlook" when he posits the reasoning for a blatant falsehood being promulgated.

[gozalim]

I think he conceded that the  evidence points to the current version being the correct one.

and I have super respect for that post.
The part after that gets a little puzzling

[Yehuda57]

BTW, as you can see from my recent posts on random posts, if I thought @imayid2 was a hateful troll, I wouldn't engage. I do think he genuinely wants answers, yet comes at them with preconceived notions, or as ExGingi put it, that "hashkafic worm", through no fault of his own.

He has publicly and privately acknowledged the issues in the way he asked questions, and deserves loads of respect for that.

[imayid2]

The part after that gets a little puzzling

It’s puzzling to me that’s for sure. When all evidence points one way, like the story with the mkor Baruch that we discussed, as well as the notion that everything going on was purely based on libel, it’s hard to understand why demonstrated facts are still being disputed.

[gozalim]

It’s puzzling to me that’s for sure. When all evidence points one way, like the story with the mkor Baruch that we discussed, as well as the notion that everything going on was purely based on libel, it’s hard to understand why demonstrated facts are still being disputed.

I'd hardly call  מקור ברוך as "all the evidence" or "demonstrated facts". But it's debatable whether this discussion is worth pursuing

[imayid2]

I'd hardly call  מקור ברוך as "all the evidence" or "demonstrated facts". But it's debatable whether this discussion is worth pursuing

I understand why you don’t want to pursue it. Just explaining why I find it  ridiculous to say

The part after that gets a little puzzling

In light of what laid out up thread.

[gozalim]

No. I'm not looking to pursue a conversation of impinging anyone else's Gedolim.
But if you insist, the early chassidim didn't need any saving from nobody, least of all the people claiming that now.
And they don't need it today either

[imayid2]

No. I'm not looking to pursue a conversation of impinging anyone else's Gedolim.
But if you insist, the early chassidim didn't need any saving from nobody, least of all the people claiming that now.
And they don't need it today either

I’m not sure where we were discussing this.

I remember discussing a story told of the T’T, and if everything laid out by the opposing forces was based on libel or corroborated by contemporary evidence.

[gozalim]

Whether or not he ever met the TT, the T"T certainly did not tell him what is being claimed