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Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« on: September 01, 2023, 04:40:19 PM »
Perhaps a special Torah reading in the women's section?

I heard some rabbis allow it, but for sure not our rabbis.
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2023, 04:49:25 PM »

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2023, 05:01:52 PM »
I remember something along the lines of if it is only women, it's halachically fine, but lipoel we aren't noheg to do it.

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2023, 02:09:42 AM »
Why do they want an aliyah?

(As a kohen) I always wondered if a yisroel ever had an urge to duchan? Like do they feel inferior for not doing it? I’m just confused
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2023, 02:29:30 AM »
Why do they want an aliyah?

(As a kohen) I always wondered if a yisroel ever had an urge to duchan? Like do they feel inferior for not doing it? I’m just confused
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2023, 12:03:00 PM »
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2023, 09:50:46 PM »
should men be able to wave their hands in front their eyes on friday nights?
what if they feel really left out?

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2023, 11:47:54 PM »
should men be able to wave their hands in front their eyes on friday nights?
what if they feel really left out?
Men actually have a chiyuv of shabbos candles and if there is no woman lighting they would have to light and cover their eyes...
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2023, 12:14:58 AM »
Men actually have a chiyuv of shabbos candles and if there is no woman lighting they would have to light and cover their eyes...
Er, men make the brachos before lighting, so not sure when men would cover their eyes

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2023, 12:59:28 AM »
Er, men make the brachos before lighting, so not sure when men would cover their eyes
How so?
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2023, 01:21:30 AM »
How so?
Step 1: Make the brocha
Step 2: Light the candles
Step 3: You're already done, but you may cover your eyes if you so choose

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2023, 01:22:12 AM »
Step 1: Make the brocha
Step 2: Light the candles
Step 3: You're already done, but you may cover your eyes if you so choose
Why do you think women make the bracha after lighting instead of before and why would that reason not apply to men?
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2023, 01:36:35 AM »
Why do you think women make the bracha after lighting instead of before and why would that reason not apply to men?
I'm not making this up, this is what I have been informed as how men are supposed to do it.
Difference basically is that men aren't bringing in Shabbos right when they make the bracha, but women are.
You are really supposed to make the brachos before you do something, so only men are able to do it that way.
I don't know why men aren't mekabel Shabbos right away when making the bracha.

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2023, 01:38:07 AM »
I'm not making this up, this is what I have been informed as how men are supposed to do it.
Difference basically is that men aren't bringing in Shabbos right when they make the bracha, but women are.
You are really supposed to make the brachos before you do something, so only men are able to do it that way.
I don't know why men aren't mekabel Shabbos right away when making the bracha.
Ok, I learned something new today. I never knew men were not mekabel Shabbos with the bracha of hadlokas neiros.
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2023, 01:44:34 AM »
Ok, I learned something new today. I never knew men were not mekabel Shabbos with the bracha of hadlokas neiros.
But there is a only a small amount of time from when you light until Shabbos starts for you, it just isn't right away

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2023, 08:40:13 AM »
So when are men mekabel shabbos?
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #16 on: September 05, 2023, 08:56:54 AM »
So when are men mekabel shabbos?
When they choose to. Barring that, at shkiya

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2023, 09:19:39 AM »
When they choose to. Barring that, at shkiya
When davening early we're told that the woman must light before the Men reach Mizmor shir because that's when they're mekabel shabbos and it applies to the entire household.

IINM The chiyuv to light is equal on men and woman, while the woman lighting is for practical reasons.
According to m"b woman are mekabel shabbos by default when lighting unless they specifically make a תנאי not to be mekabel shabbos (hence they make the Bracha before lighting and cover their eyes so that it should still be considered עובר לעשייתן) while Men by default are not mekabel shabbos by lighting unless they specifically state they are.
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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2023, 10:13:19 AM »
So when are men mekabel shabbos?

After he finishes his shower

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Re: Should women be able to get an Aliyah to the Torah?
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2023, 11:13:46 AM »

IINM The chiyuv to light is equal on men and woman, while the woman lighting is for practical reasons.


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