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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #280 on: May 25, 2022, 10:34:47 PM »
I don't get the BIG disappointment in photoshopping / enhancing the images. Yes they do it so it should look better for them, and it would be nice if they approved it before. But I can understand that they don't want backlash with someone in their mag wearing shorts etc. In essence, it does not reduce nor put Dan in a negative way, and nobody besides Dan and family would know about those minor edits.

After all the article is written well and is full of knowledge. Most people just skim through the articles and don't analyze the images...

Now, if they said they will credit a photographer and didn't that is wrong.
Neh, The Ami is 10 steps ahead and more entertaining - IMO
I think it's a nice article too.
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #281 on: May 25, 2022, 10:36:59 PM »
A lot of your recent posts make sense now...
So you LIKE only the Mishpacha?  :P

ETA: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36812.msg2587027#msg2587027
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #282 on: May 25, 2022, 10:43:12 PM »
I don't get the BIG disappointment in photoshopping / enhancing the images. Yes they do it so it should look better for them, and it would be nice if they approved it before. But I can understand that they don't want backlash with someone in their mag wearing shorts etc. In essence, it does not reduce nor put Dan in a negative way, and nobody besides Dan and family would know about those minor edits.

After all the article is written well and is full of knowledge. Most people just skim through the articles and don't analyze the images...

Now, if they said they will credit a photographer and didn't that is wrong.
Neh, The Ami is 10 steps ahead and more entertaining - IMO
Like I said, had things been disclosed as they were stipulated it would be another story. That's especially true as JJ and I put 20 hours into editing what we were told was the final draft.

You don't like that my favorite mileage redemption was for the World Series? So tell me that and I'd decide if the question should be deleted as we did with other questions.

Same goes for Mendel's and all the photoshop.

But skipping the photographer credit when she was asked to dig up other pictures from that photoshoot was not cool and I understand why she's unhappy.

But yes, from a macro perspective these are not major issues.
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #283 on: May 25, 2022, 10:51:08 PM »
Like I said, had things been disclosed as they were stipulated it would be another story. That's especially true as JJ and I put 20 hours into editing what we were told was the final draft.

You don't like that my favorite mileage redemption was for the World Series? So tell me that and I'd decide if the question should be deleted as we did with other questions.

Same goes for Mendel's and all the photoshop.

But deleted the photographer credit when she was asked to dig up other pictures from that photoshoot was not cool and I understand why she's unhappy.
Agreed. Thanks @Dan and @jj1000 for taking the time for this article, and the LH fiasco in general.

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #284 on: May 25, 2022, 10:54:18 PM »
Dan your first mistake was editing anything in the first place. I learnt very early in the Antarctica process that I can't fix bad writing - I would check an arrival for factual problems and that was that (not that they listed half the time, but ya).

By editing the text directly you give it your voice, which is not a good thing if the article isn't as perfect as you'd like. Plus you get invested in it and upset when they didn't publish your edits.

My policy was (and still is) if it has someone else's name listed as the author, I don't care how poorly it's written - just so the facts are accurate.

When write for magazines under my own name, I insist (and actually get) full veto rights for anything in the final draft.
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #285 on: May 25, 2022, 11:07:25 PM »
Dan your first mistake was editing anything in the first place. I learnt very early in the Antarctica process that I can't fix bad writing - I would check an arrival for factual problems and that was that (not that they listed half the time, but ya).

By editing the text directly you give it your voice, which is not a good thing if the article isn't as perfect as you'd like. Plus you get invested in it and upset when they didn't publish your edits.

My policy was (and still is) if it has someone else's name listed as the author, I don't care how poorly it's written - just so the facts are accurate.

When write for magazines under my own name, I insist (and actually get) full veto rights for anything in the final draft.
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #286 on: May 25, 2022, 11:15:45 PM »
@YitzyS you are talking about the Ami of 15 years ago when they were desperate to fill the mag and draw customers.  That is also the time when the Mishpacha used to be interesting IMO.

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #287 on: May 26, 2022, 12:21:55 AM »
I don't get the BIG disappointment in photoshopping / enhancing the images. Yes they do it so it should look better for them, and it would be nice if they approved it before. But I can understand that they don't want backlash with someone in their mag wearing shorts etc. In essence, it does not reduce nor put Dan in a negative way, and nobody besides Dan and family would know about those minor edits.

After all the article is written well and is full of knowledge. Most people just skim through the articles and don't analyze the images...

Now, if they said they will credit a photographer and didn't that is wrong.
Neh, The Ami is 10 steps ahead and more entertaining - IMO

Then either don't use the photos or ask permission. As stated above, it's extremely rude and insulting to the subject, and they're slapping him on the cover to sell issues.

Posting photos without crediting the source is theft. These are not minor things, even one of these missteps would get a real journalist fired. Yet they do it routinely and without consequence because their readership doesn't give a darn.

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #288 on: May 26, 2022, 12:25:55 AM »

When write for magazines under my own name, I insist (and actually get) full veto rights for anything in the final draft.

I used to think the writer had full editorial control aside from the headline. I have learned that that is not always the case with big papers such as the NYT, where the editors will sometimes veto the writer.

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #289 on: May 26, 2022, 01:05:14 AM »
But skipping the photographer credit when she was asked to dig up other pictures from that photoshoot was not cool and I understand why she's unhappy.
Let's give the photographer due credit here- who is she and how can one reach her?

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #290 on: May 26, 2022, 07:46:16 AM »
@YitzyS you are talking about the Ami of 15 years ago when they were desperate to fill the mag and draw customers. 

Interesting way of trying to draw customers...

Ever since Frankfurter vouched for Lev Tahor I rarely open it, but when I tried over Pesach it gave me a headache.

It is about as well edited and designed as a school newsletter...

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #291 on: May 26, 2022, 08:05:50 AM »


Ever since Frankfurter vouched for Lev Tahor

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #292 on: May 26, 2022, 08:27:12 AM »
Wait, what?
You didn't see that glowing interview with (IIRC) Helbranz ?

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #293 on: May 26, 2022, 08:29:40 AM »
I don't know the last time I read an Ami, it's many years back, and even then it was maybe one of two articles

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #294 on: May 26, 2022, 08:29:43 AM »
You didn't see that glowing interview with (IIRC) Helbranz ?
Link?
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #295 on: May 26, 2022, 08:30:47 AM »
I don't know the last time I read an Ami, it's many years back, and even then it was maybe one of two articles
I think it was in 2014

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #296 on: May 26, 2022, 08:33:00 AM »
I don't know the last time I read an Ami, it's many years back, and even then it was maybe one of two articles
They were shocked I didn't read any of the Jewish media. The final edit said I read the WSJ and NYT daily to take in different viewpoints, but that was too sensitive to print  ;D
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #297 on: May 26, 2022, 08:34:04 AM »
Let's give the photographer due credit here- who is she and how can one reach her?
Ellie B Photography https://elliebphoto.com/
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #299 on: May 26, 2022, 08:34:56 AM »
Then either don't use the photos or ask permission. As stated above, it's extremely rude and insulting to the subject, and they're slapping him on the cover to sell issues.

Posting photos without crediting the source is theft. These are not minor things, even one of these missteps would get a real journalist fired. Yet they do it routinely and without consequence because their readership doesn't give a darn.
Can that attitude be fixed?
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