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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #300 on: May 26, 2022, 09:11:16 AM »
They were shocked I didn't read any of the Jewish media. The final edit said I read the WSJ and NYT daily to take in different viewpoints, but that was too sensitive to print  ;D

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #301 on: May 26, 2022, 09:16:00 AM »
Can that attitude be fixed?

Education, but it will take time and people who care enough to educate. There are bigger issues with frum media, so I'm not sure that anyone is going to start a campaign about this.

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #302 on: May 26, 2022, 09:16:45 AM »
If there is an online article of this, the attribution should be fixed immediately.

And I'd probably demand that there be an update/correction/retraction in the next issue to give proper attribution.
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #303 on: May 26, 2022, 09:54:04 AM »
They were shocked I didn't read any of the Jewish media. The final edit said I read the WSJ and NYT daily to take in different viewpoints, but that was too sensitive to print  ;D
It's a serious halachic sheila if you can read them on shabbos. 90% is ads

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #304 on: May 26, 2022, 09:55:00 AM »
It's a serious halachic sheila if you can read them on shabbos. 90% is ads
I read the ads for pure entertainment value

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #305 on: May 26, 2022, 10:18:10 AM »


Oh baby

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #306 on: May 26, 2022, 10:29:42 AM »
Can that attitude be fixed?

I honestly don't think so. This approach is an inherent part of their sensationalist business model. It's not a bug, it's a feature. And apparently, it works, and that's what makes so many prefer the Ami to the "boring" Mishpacha.

You wrote that all the Jewish media were equally bad in your mind in their coverage of our Antarctica trip. But to me, there's a fundamental and critical difference between accidentally getting a few facts and details wrong like some of the others, and intentionally and deliberately taking a drone picture that was taken by academic researchers with a legally required watermark on it, and erasing the watermark and claiming that it was taken by @Something Fishy.

As a semi-professional writer, I can't fathom the mindset that could decide that the ends of a juicier story and selling more issues could justify the means of egregiously shirking a basic journalistic responsibility to the truth. But whenever I buy one of their issues, either for YT or for a story of special interest like I did this week, page after page reminds me that what happened with the Antarctica story wasn't an exception. It's their underlying business model. And as long as it sells, nothing's going to change, and the demographic that eats it up shows no sign of dwindling.

As I said, I learned my lesson a few years back, and I made a conscious decision to move my writing (and subscription) to Mishpacha, which sends me a PDF to review for every article before it goes to print and doesn't play games with its edits and photoshopping. Fool me once, shame on you...

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #307 on: May 26, 2022, 10:36:55 AM »
Shockingly, didn't make the cut ;D


Anyone that got both these references is as weird as I am :D
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #308 on: May 26, 2022, 10:38:19 AM »
I honestly don't think so. This approach is an inherent part of their sensationalist business model. It's not a bug, it's a feature. And apparently, it works, and that's what makes so many prefer the Ami to the "boring" Mishpacha.

You wrote that all the Jewish media were equally bad in your mind in their coverage of our Antarctica trip. But to me, there's a fundamental and critical difference between accidentally getting a few facts and details wrong like some of the others, and intentionally and deliberately taking a drone picture that was taken by academic researchers with a legally required watermark on it, and erasing the watermark and claiming that it was taken by @Something Fishy.

As a semi-professional writer, I can't fathom the mindset that could decide that the ends of a juicier story and selling more issues could justify the means of egregiously shirking a basic journalistic responsibility to the truth. But whenever I buy one of their issues, either for YT or for a story of special interest like I did this week, page after page reminds me that what happened with the Antarctica story wasn't an exception. It's their underlying business model. And as long as it sells, nothing's going to change, and the demographic that eats it up shows no sign of dwindling.

As I said, I learned my lesson a few years back, and I made a conscious decision to move my writing (and subscription) to Mishpacha, which sends me a PDF to review for every article before it goes to print and doesn't play games with its edits and photoshopping. Fool me once, shame on you...
I just lumped them all together as fake news, so I didn't recall who did that drone image.
But I guess now I know.
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #309 on: May 26, 2022, 10:38:52 AM »
Suggesting to change the title to “Dan is the news”
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #310 on: May 26, 2022, 10:40:36 AM »
I used to think the writer had full editorial control aside from the headline. I have learned that that is not always the case with big papers such as the NYT, where the editors will sometimes veto the writer.
WaPo writer told me that she had 4 editors and legal comb over her article and they didn't let her link to DansDeals.

NYT mentioned DansDeals online, but stripped it out of the print version. I only know this because I bought it :P
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #311 on: May 26, 2022, 10:40:56 AM »
Suggesting to change the title to “Daniel is the news”
FTFY

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #312 on: May 26, 2022, 10:42:30 AM »
Anyone that got both these references is as weird as I am :D

Perfect:

I've been waiting over 5 years with bated breath for someone to say that!
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #313 on: May 26, 2022, 11:26:08 AM »
Wait, what?

Yup. Iinm it was in 2014, while they were being investigated by child services in Canada. He went all in on claiming it was just religious persecution, and if we don't stand up to it, they will come after us next.

Mishpacha printed an article the same week called "Hearts of Darkness."


He also defended Weberman, including after his conviction...

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #314 on: May 26, 2022, 11:48:47 AM »
Yup. Iinm it was in 2014, while they were being investigated by child services in Canada. He went all in on claiming it was just religious persecution, and if we don't stand up to it, they will come after us next.

Mishpacha printed an article the same week called "Hearts of Darkness."


He also defended Weberman, including after his conviction...

Yikes

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #315 on: May 26, 2022, 01:40:10 PM »
@Dan, everywhere I go I’m bumping into you. Enjoy your weeklong stay. :)

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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #318 on: May 26, 2022, 03:32:20 PM »
Anyone that got both these references is as weird as I am :D

[Googles]

The Twilight Zone and Friends are pretty popular.
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Re: Dan in the news :)
« Reply #319 on: May 26, 2022, 03:36:26 PM »
[Googles]

The Twilight Zone and Friends are pretty popular.
Well yes, nothing is hard to find with Google. But I daresay that the overlap between both those genres and DDF members is rather small.
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