Vaccine Discussion Master Thread

[mek]

For the record, rav elyashiv held that vaccines are mandatory.
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Not doubting but due to

 

http://forward.com/articles/205615/prominent-orthodox-rabbi-condemns-vaccines-as-a-ho/

Source?

[churnbabychurn]

Not doubting but due to

 
Source?

I heard it in a shiur from a rabbi who directly asked Rav Elyashiv.
Iv also heard that it is published in R Dr Akiva Tatz sefer on medicine/halacha.

[YankyDoodle]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/18/world/middleeast/syrian-children-die-after-vaccinations.html?ref=world&_r=0

Horrible, can't imagine how heart-wrenching that must have been to go through.

[thaber]

I heard it in a shiur from a rabbi who directly asked Rav Elyashiv.
Iv also heard that it is published in R Dr Akiva Tatz sefer on medicine/halacha.

+1
from here

Rav Elyashiv, quoted by Rabbi Tatz in “Dangerous Disease & Dangerous Therapy,” says that all parents have an obligation to vaccinate as this is normative practice throughout the world, and is included in the parents’ basic obligation to care for their child. It would seem from the quote that he was very familiar with the scientific pros and cons and felt that until there was objective evidence to the contrary one must vaccinate to avoid danger; not vaccinating would be considered negligence on the part of the parent.

Additionally, Rav Elyashiv is quoted as ruling that parents of vaccinated children can insist that all other children in the class be vaccinated as well, so as to limit their exposure to disease.

[henche]

My firm is giving out free flu shots, so I signed up for one.

Here is my analysis:

1. I signed up bec it is free. It's easy to get people to take free stuff.  It would have been free at any pharmacy with my insurance also, but somehow this seemed more free.
2. Maybe they do it because it benefits the firm if people don't get sick. Or maybe because it costs them less to pay for it like this than to pay for it through the insurance (bec I think they self insure).
3. Probably when the firm gives them out, they won't put in the stuff that makes you sick.

[Menachem613]

My firm is giving out free flu shots, so I signed up for one.

Here is my analysis:

1. I signed up bec it is free. It's easy to get people to take free stuff.  It would have been free at any pharmacy with my insurance also, but somehow this seemed more free.
2. Maybe they do it because it benefits the firm if people don't get sick. Or maybe because it costs them less to pay for it like this than to pay for it through the insurance (bec I think they self insure).
3. Probably when the firm gives them out, they won't put in the stuff that makes you sick.

It's a conspiracy, don't fall for it.

[Achas Veachas]

My firm is giving out free flu shots, so I signed up for one.

Here is my analysis:

1. I signed up bec it is free. It's easy to get people to take free stuff.  It would have been free at any pharmacy with my insurance also, but somehow this seemed more free.
2. Maybe they do it because it benefits the firm if people don't get sick. Or maybe because it costs them less to pay for it like this than to pay for it through the insurance (bec I think they self insure).
3. Probably when the firm gives them out, they won't put in the stuff that makes you sick.

1. Assuming you pay for your insurance, by not taking the shot they would give you you're throwing away money. So it's actually less free to take the free shot.

3. I would use the same logic for using a flu shot given by a health insurance company.

[TimT]

3. Probably when the firm gives them out, they won't put in the stuff that makes you sick.

Is the firm giving a different kind of shot than the pharmacies or dr's give ?

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Is the firm giving a different kind of shot than the pharmacies or dr's give ?

Old news but...

"As many as 1,000 Exxon Mobil employees and 14 residents of a senior citizens home were injected with fake flu vaccine, authorities said Friday, and the owner of a home health care company was arrested.

Preliminary tests indicated the syringes were filled with purified water, U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg said. And no ill effects from the shots were reported.

But Hermina Palacio, head of the Harris County health department, recommended that people who received the shots get tested for blood-borne pathogens such as the AIDS virus and hepatitis B and C.

Exxon Mobil offered blood tests and counseling to the employees who received the shots at a health fair Oct. 19-20 at the oil company’s complex of refineries and chemical plants in Baytown, just east of Houston."

[henche]

Old news but...

"As many as 1,000 Exxon Mobil employees and 14 residents of a senior citizens home were injected with fake flu vaccine, authorities said Friday, and the owner of a home health care company was arrested.

Preliminary tests indicated the syringes were filled with purified water, U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg said. And no ill effects from the shots were reported.

But Hermina Palacio, head of the Harris County health department, recommended that people who received the shots get tested for blood-borne pathogens such as the AIDS virus and hepatitis B and C.

Exxon Mobil offered blood tests and counseling to the employees who received the shots at a health fair Oct. 19-20 at the oil company’s complex of refineries and chemical plants in Baytown, just east of Houston."

At least they didn't inject them with aluminum and preservatives and viruses.

[churnbabychurn]

At least they didn't inject them with aluminum and preservatives and viruses.

of course they did!

[thaber]

My firm is giving out free flu shots, so I signed up for one.

Here is my analysis:

1. I signed up bec it is free. It's easy to get people to take free stuff.  It would have been free at any pharmacy with my insurance also, but somehow this seemed more free.
2. Maybe they do it because it benefits the firm if people don't get sick. Or maybe because it costs them less to pay for it like this than to pay for it through the insurance (bec I think they self insure).
3. Probably when the firm gives them out, they won't put in the stuff that makes you sick.

We give them for free to employees for #2. I don't think anyone purposely puts in stuff that makes you sick, we call a service that does it, just like your firm probably does. The evil scientists get their hands on all of the, I'm sure it's a way of controlling global population.

[thaber]

http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2014/10/06/why-i-love-rav-shmuel-and-will-advocate-vaccination-nonetheless/

Nicely said.

[jaywhy]

http://www.cross-currents.com/archives/2014/10/06/why-i-love-rav-shmuel-and-will-advocate-vaccination-nonetheless/

Nicely said.

+1

[myb821]

got my flu shot today

[username]

SMH 
http://forward.com/articles/205615/prominent-orthodox-rabbi-condemns-vaccines-as-a-ho/

For the record, Phila yeshiva was giving the flu shot last winter.

[YankyDoodle]

got my flu shot today

Got mine yesterday.

Side note: I am always surprised by the number of people who are pasionate in their opinions about the flu vaccine yet believe they have the flu when all they have is a bad cold. I would be surprised if half the people could describe the difference between them (w/out looking it up on wikipedia).

[henche]

Got mine yesterday.

Side note: I am always surprised by the number of people who are pasionate in their opinions about the flu vaccine yet believe they have the flu when all they have is a bad cold. I would be surprised if half the people could describe the difference between them (w/out looking it up on wikipedia).

I can't. I've never gotten the flu. In over thirty years. Not sure why I need a vaccine for that?

[elit]

I can't. I've never gotten the flu. In over thirty years. Not sure why I need a vaccine for that?

That's what i said....until last year....

[henche]

That's what i said....until last year....

Exactly. And even last year, when some of the people who said that got it anyway, I still didn't get it.