Halachic Source for no music during sefira

[U-no-me!]

Live or recorded?

The halacha seemingly goes for both. See Talmud end of Sotah and Shulchan Aruch Hilchos Tisha B'av.
Although there are heterim today for listening to recorderd music, (see Teshuva from R' Moshe) I have yet to find a heter for listening to live music outside of a chasunah, bris, etc; (I'm sure there must some sort of heter, just that I haven't heard about it nor found it anywhere)

[Let3]

So I just heard Shiur saying basically there are two reasons we don't listen to music sefira- 1) we are machmir during this time like the ones that hold not to listen all year, 2) it is a kal vachomer from dancing .. (Cited in aruch hashilchon and r Moshe )
As mentioned  above r Moshe does Matir listening to radio - which Is source for heter of recorded music (though some hold it is a kli zemer)..
Listening to classical  style would also depend on the above reasons- for if it is for "availos" (for beis hamikdash and talmudei r Akiva) like a whole year would be assur, if it's because it brings to dancing  would be mutar..
The sec reason is also heter for Kumzitz ,
R Belsky differentiates btwn dif types of aka pella- for he holds it must be st humanly possible ie: without any computer modification, in order not to be called "kli zemer"

With regarding what to do contact your lor.

[Menachem613]

http://torahmusings.com/2011/05/music-during-sefira/

"Rabbi Mordechai Willig is of the opinion that since there is no early source to indicate a specific prohibition on listening to music during the Sefira period there should be nothing inherently wrong with doing so."

[Menachem613]

Also found that:

Opinion of Rav Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg and Rav Eliyahu Schlesinger. Sefer Eleh Heim Moadai records the view of various poskim who develop
a lenient approach to certain types of music during sefira. Since there is no explicit prohibition to listen to music during sefira (any more than the rest
of the year), and it is only prohibited on account of the prohibition to dance, it would follow that any music that does not lead one to dance
would be permissible. For this reason slower songs that have a more calming influence (classical music) may be permissible during sefira.

[lechatchileh ariber]

I saw that the נטעי גבריאל writes that everything is אסור even a Capella ( spelling? )
(Sorry..)
Though until seeing him I haven't seen anyone to be that strict.
Someone told me that in פסקי תשובות he has a whole thing about it but I don't have one with me right now
What I'm wondering is as follows;
Is it better to listen to 'straight up' 'goyish music' by aka pella which sounds pretty real in my op. or to listen to, for arguments sake, a freilicher niggun with music

[rots5]

I saw that the נטעי גבריאל writes that everything is אסור even a Capella ( spelling? )
(Sorry..)
Though until seeing him I haven't seen anyone to be that strict.
Someone told me that in פסקי תשובות he has a whole thing about it but I don't have one with me right now
What I'm wondering is as follows;
Is it better to listen to 'straight up' 'goyish music' by aka pella which sounds pretty real in my op. or to listen to, for arguments sake, a freilicher niggun with music

i will post a pic when i get to my notes of the lists of ppl who say what

[PlatinumGuy]

Does anyone know what the earliest Halachic source for prohibiting music listening during Sefira? The Mishna B'rura doesn't mention it so it must be more recent.

At least we @YitzyS found the earliest thread on this topic.

[imayid2]

Very interesting. I understood that the term ריקודים ומחולות doesn't technically include music.
(The Aruch Hasholchan quoted above also says it's a כל שכן from ריקודים ומחולות, not included)

But one way or another you see the level of significance of this minhag that he was matir for Parnassa, so it seems like a strange place to look for Chumrash. We say in Viduy את אשר התרתי אסרת ואשר אסרתי התרת...

Obviously, I didn’t mean it’s included in the terminology.

This isn’t a question of “looking for chumrus”. It’s not strictly forbidden מעיקר הדין. It’s sort of an attitude/minhag quasi halachik because it’s an extension of an existing Halacha.
In the words of Rav Shloma Miller
ולהלכה אין שום נ״מ אם יש כלי שיר בסרט או לא אלא כל שיר של שמחה אסור ובפרט בפרהסיא שנעשה לשמח השומעים. וכדי שלא יאמרו ח״ו התירו פרושים את הדבר צריכים למחות בכל תוקף ולאסור
 הsefira tapes בהחלט.

[imayid2]

Do you dispute that the Shulchan Aruch does explicitly distinguish by his Issur of כל השנה?

If so, it's established they're different, so when the Achronim talk about instruments, the burden of proof is on whoever says accepella is the same.

Incorrect. Recorded music is solely “prohibited” due to it’s mimicking of live music. So no logical reason to exclude accepella.
In fact there is a slew of poskim that extend it even to professionally recorded singing and maintain that the cd itself is considered כלי שיר. Also there is a מקור חיים who assurs live singing too without accompanying music.

[yuneeq]

Obviously, I didn’t mean it’s included in the terminology.

This isn’t a question of “looking for chumrus”. It’s not strictly forbidden מעיקר הדין. It’s sort of an attitude/minhag quasi halachik because it’s an extension of an existing Halacha.
In the words of Rav Shloma Miller
ולהלכה אין שום נ״מ אם יש כלי שיר בסרט או לא אלא כל שיר של שמחה אסור ובפרט בפרהסיא שנעשה לשמח השומעים. וכדי שלא יאמרו ח״ו התירו פרושים את הדבר צריכים למחות בכל תוקף ולאסור
 הsefira tapes בהחלט.

If it’s not assur, and you want to follow the latest minhag - פוק חזי מאי עמא דבר
The world listens to all types of accapella during sefira.

[Sam 77]

Halacha

Only music that’s to make you happy is a problem during the 3 weeks. Therefore music to exercise or to keep you up while driving or to practice is allowed

[imayid2]

If it’s not assur, and you want to follow the latest minhag - פוק חזי מאי עמא דבר
The world listens to all types of accapella during sefira.

I’ve been trying to convey that it isn’t simply another minhag. It’s based squarely on an existing Halacha, and being that the poskim, all of them, “assur” recorded music, it’s illogical to allow accepella, even if many people, unfortunately, do.

[PlatinumGuy]

no logical reason to exclude accepella.

How in the world can a recording of people singing be worse than hearing people sing? It would be muttar to hear a choir sing at 8pm, but assur to play it back at 9pm? And what if was broadcast live to people in a different room?

הבו דלא לוסיף עלה. The Achronim assered live music, we don't have to look for ways to apply it to other things.

If it’s not assur, and you want to follow the latest minhag - פוק חזי מאי עמא דבר
The world listens to all types of accapella during sefira.

Exhibit A: Thousands of followers on Spotify Sefira playlist...

[imayid2]

How in the world can a recording of people singing be worse than hearing people sing? It would be muttar to hear a choir sing at 8pm, but assur to play it back at 9pm? And what if was broadcast live to people in a different room?

We are talking mimicking musical instruments. So I have no understanding of your q.

הבו דלא לוסיף עלה. The Achronim assered live music, we don't have to look for ways to apply it to other things.

Great thought. But all major poskim since recorded music came on scene firmly disagree. Can you pinpoint one that agrees with you?

Exhibit A: Thousands of followers on Spotify Sefira playlist...

People do all sorts of things they shouldn’t be doing… this isn’t exactly the biggest halachik crisis out there, but it’s ridiculous for you to mock those that don’t as “looking for chumros”.

[PlatinumGuy]

it’s ridiculous for you to mock those that don’t as “looking for chumros”.

ברוך שכיוונתי

[PlatinumGuy]

We are talking mimicking musical instruments.

Nowhere in the Achronim did it asser people mimicking musical instruments...

[aygart]

ברוך שכיוונתי

He was referring to the other direction.

[aygart]

ברוך שכיוונתי

He was referring to the other direction.

[imayid2]

ברוך שכיוונתי

Problem is you were “מכוין” to the fact that it’s a “chumra” without knowing that many achronim actually do talk about listening to musical instruments. So I’m not quite sure how many points you get…

[aygart]

How in the world can a recording of people singing be worse than hearing people sing? It would be muttar to hear a choir sing at 8pm, but assur to play it back at 9pm? And what if was broadcast live to people in a different room?

הבו דלא לוסיף עלה. The Achronim assered live music, we don't have to look for ways to apply it to other things.



Exhibit A: Thousands of followers on Spotify Sefira playlist...

That is the svara to consider it no worse than the live version.

That should not apply here since it did not exist and there is no real reason to differentiate between them.