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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4160 on: December 28, 2023, 11:27:08 AM »
it's showing that we have assigned 1D and 1G. My question is if the bulkhead seats are worth the noise in the front or that's not a concern.
I know that 1A and 1K have a much larger footwell not sure about the middle 2I was using sound canceling headphones so not sure about the noise

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4161 on: December 28, 2023, 12:34:35 PM »
TLV-NYC flying alone
Austrian Airlines A321/777 Business via Vienna or LOT/Air Belgium 737/A330 Business via Warsaw
or TLV-ZRH swiss economy ZRH-EWR united Polaris?

Booked with points so everything is the same price

When are you booking for @ShimonFly? Are you aware only el al flying atm? Lufthansa group starts soon but not lot or air belgium

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4162 on: December 28, 2023, 03:01:16 PM »
TLV-NYC flying alone
Austrian Airlines A321/777 Business via Vienna or LOT/Air Belgium 737/A330 Business via Warsaw
or TLV-ZRH swiss economy ZRH-EWR united Polaris?

Booked with points so everything is the same price
As @Gvann pointed out LOT/Air Belgium not flying anytime soon, so probably worth avoiding. If you can get a "Throne Seat", I would say go with Austrian. Otherwise, the Polaris would be more private for flying alone (keep in mind its a 767). Just my $0.02.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4163 on: December 30, 2023, 02:43:52 PM »
As @Gvann pointed out LOT/Air Belgium not flying anytime soon, so probably worth avoiding. If you can get a "Throne Seat", I would say go with Austrian. Otherwise, the Polaris would be more private for flying alone (keep in mind its a 767). Just my $0.02.
When are you booking for @ShimonFly? Are you aware only el al flying atm? Lufthansa group starts soon but not lot or air belgium
Booking for early April
1. Read that throne seats have less leg space when in bed mode (any data-points??), and it costs extra except if still available when checking in online.
2. I'd choose UA Polaris over Austrian (at least on their 777), but the leg to Zurich is only available in economy vs Austrian that's fully business, my question is if united is so much better that it's worth flying the short leg in economy.

Thanks @Gvann and @bp27 for your response

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4164 on: December 30, 2023, 06:26:38 PM »
I would go with Polaris, you're asking if polaris is worth flying an economy seat in the back of the plane or an economy seat in the front of the plane...

Polaris definitely better than Austrian, on 767 everyone is in their own row. Swiss lounge is nice, and in TLV there basically no difference, I would imagine you would even get the title of "business" in terms of elite check in, etc.. If it were lay flat then there would be what to ask about but being that its just a matter of where the seat is on the plane i would not think about it too much.

Also I think to EWR Austrian flies a 777 with no throne seats though i dont know that for sure.


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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4165 on: December 31, 2023, 09:09:29 AM »
I would go with Polaris, you're asking if polaris is worth flying an economy seat in the back of the plane or an economy seat in the front of the plane...

Polaris definitely better than Austrian, on 767 everyone is in their own row. Swiss lounge is nice, and in TLV there basically no difference, I would imagine you would even get the title of "business" in terms of elite check in, etc.. If it were lay flat then there would be what to ask about but being that its just a matter of where the seat is on the plane i would not think about it too much.

Also I think to EWR Austrian flies a 777 with no throne seats though i dont know that for sure.
I checked the seat map, there is throne seats available, for now I just booked both (fully refundable fare of course, and had enough points in my account anyway) and will decide closer to the flight which one to take, maybe business on the short leg will pop up, or there might be a schedule change as LH group is starting slowly with operations to/from TLV.

there's also an option with an overnight layover with swiss business on a widebody=lie flat seats TLV-ZRH, anything to do overnight in Zurich?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4166 on: December 31, 2023, 10:33:29 AM »
for now I just booked both
If both from same account then auto cancel Alert. Just look out.. even if not, same dob etc.
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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4167 on: December 31, 2023, 12:32:07 PM »
If both from same account then auto cancel Alert. Just look out.. even if not, same dob etc.
Will they cancel if I have 2 reservations? and what if I book for next day?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4168 on: December 31, 2023, 11:51:22 PM »
Will they cancel if I have 2 reservations? and what if I book for next day?

if you have two reservations booked during overlapped time periods it may be an issue. but mistama that would be an issue that would occur sooner rather than later (when there would still be availability to rebook)

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4169 on: December 31, 2023, 11:52:48 PM »
if you have two reservations booked during overlapped time periods it may be an issue. but mistama that would be an issue that would occur sooner rather than later (when there would still be availability to rebook)

but also if you credit the two trips to two different FF accounts (i.e. to a swiss account for one and a united account for the other) then that may avoid any issues as then it may not trigger the same passenger info though totally not sure on that.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4170 on: January 01, 2024, 12:43:28 AM »
but also if you credit the two trips to two different FF accounts (i.e. to a swiss account for one and a united account for the other) then that may avoid any issues as then it may not trigger the same passenger info though totally not sure on that.
Miduyik here
If both from same account
Booked using both mileage plus for example

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4171 on: January 01, 2024, 07:10:02 AM »
but also if you credit the two trips to two different FF accounts (i.e. to a swiss account for one and a united account for the other) then that may avoid any issues as then it may not trigger the same passenger info though totally not sure on that.
I'm not crediting the flights at all, cause it's an award ticket so I won't get points for it anyway, but both is booked with the same aeroplan account

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4172 on: January 01, 2024, 02:12:38 PM »
Does United allow car seats on their 777-200s (EWR LAX)?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4173 on: January 02, 2024, 09:16:53 AM »
Does United allow car seats on their 777-200s (EWR LAX)?
Not officially, I've written a lot about it on DDMS.
Save your time, I don't answer PM. Post it in the forum and a dedicated DDF'er will get back to you as soon as possible.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4174 on: January 02, 2024, 11:28:03 AM »
Not officially, I've written a lot about it on DDMS.
I found it now.

 >:( No way to get them to update their official policy to allow it in the non angled seats? It just makes no sense.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4175 on: January 02, 2024, 12:24:40 PM »
@Dan Did you try writing to the press office of the FAA as to why they haven't still gotten around to testing car seats in angled seats?

pressoffice@faa.gov

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4176 on: January 03, 2024, 11:44:12 PM »
I'm not crediting the flights at all, cause it's an award ticket so I won't get points for it anyway, but both is booked with the same aeroplan account
Wasn’t referring to crediting I figured it was redemption. AC may not be as issue. MP send an email within an hour of auto cancel… what happened, did you manage to keep both?

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4177 on: January 03, 2024, 11:47:11 PM »
Not officially, I've written a lot about it on DDMS.
Link?
I found it now.

 >:( No way to get them to update their official policy to allow it in the non angled seats? It just makes no sense.

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4178 on: January 04, 2024, 03:32:54 PM »
Wasn’t referring to crediting I figured it was redemption. AC may not be as issue. MP send an email within an hour of auto cancel… what happened, did you manage to keep both?
I changed one itinerary to a day earlier (Thanks for letting me know it could be an issue!), so far both itineraries are still valid, they're on different operating airlines so probably no problem

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Re: Business and First Class Products Master Thread
« Reply #4179 on: January 15, 2024, 10:53:29 AM »
AF 6 777-300
AF 10 a350

is there one better than the other for this long haul cdg-jfk?