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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6140 on: August 22, 2022, 01:41:31 PM »
Did you read the article linked? (There is plenty of competition in the frum media market, btw.)
Yes, but it's geared towards social media posts, which are more image-dependent, not print media which is read by an audience more easily engaged by text.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6141 on: August 22, 2022, 01:42:44 PM »
I'm not going there.  Not interested in women today.
No use in denying thatís itís at the crux of your question.
You certainly understand that pictures add to publications. Your beef is that men arenít eliminated together with the women in the name of egalitarianism.
Completely absurd to say the least.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6142 on: August 22, 2022, 01:46:56 PM »
They usually arenít just random pictures of random men, theyíre usually men being referenced in the article. Undeniably interesting to the reader.
I'm denying it.  If I read a story about some man who gave a speech, and I look at a photo that says Yes!  It really was a man!  And he has a beard!  And a hat!  And he spoke!  I'm denying that I'd find the photo adds to the story.  I feel the same way, BTW, about photos of Biden or Trump giving a speech.  It'd be interesting if it's a photo of them falling off a bike or tripping when walking down a ramp.  But giving a speech? I see the photos in those cases as just being filler for the newspaper.  Why does that add to the story for you?

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6143 on: August 22, 2022, 01:52:23 PM »
No use in denying thatís itís at the crux of your question.
You certainly understand that pictures add to publications. Your beef is that men arenít eliminated together with the women in the name of egalitarianism.
Completely absurd to say the least.
Denying, again.

I admit that I find it ludicrous that frum publications have this ban on publishing photos of women, but that's been discussed before, and is not what I'm asking about now.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6144 on: August 22, 2022, 01:56:35 PM »
You certainly understand that pictures add to publications.

DDF manages to maintain our interest without too many images.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6145 on: August 22, 2022, 01:59:46 PM »
DDF manages to maintain our interest without too many images.
What does your question have to do with religious publications that donít publish pictures of women anymore than the ones you read?

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6146 on: August 22, 2022, 01:59:51 PM »
How is posting pictures of men dehumanizing women or a lack of tznius?

Whether posting pictures of women has downsides which outweigh the upsides is the age old question, but how does getting rid of men in the name of equality help that?
You can't see how this is dehumanizing?

Minor changes.  "Ridiculous" would be if they transformed you into a globe.
https://www.amimagazine.org/2017/12/06/women-know-adina-weinberger/
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6147 on: August 22, 2022, 02:02:38 PM »
I'm denying it.  If I read a story about some man who gave a speech, and I look at a photo that says Yes!  It really was a man!  And he has a beard!  And a hat!  And he spoke!  I'm denying that I'd find the photo adds to the story.  I feel the same way, BTW, about photos of Biden or Trump giving a speech.  It'd be interesting if it's a photo of them falling off a bike or tripping when walking down a ramp.  But giving a speech? I see the photos in those cases as just being filler for the newspaper.  Why does that add to the story for you?
The photos are also part of the magazines effort to keep the magazine aesthetically pleasing. Choosing the right font, layout of columns, headlines, colors etc. are all important.
DDF manages to maintain our interest without too many images.
DDF usually has short snippets, no 1500 word articles, is interactive, and has a tiny percent of the readership that these magazines have.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6148 on: August 22, 2022, 02:07:48 PM »
You can't see how this is dehumanizing?

How is posting pictures of men dehumanizing women or a lack of tznius?

Whether posting pictures of women has downsides which outweigh the upsides is the age old question, but how does getting rid of men in the name of equality help that?

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6149 on: August 22, 2022, 02:30:05 PM »
I'm denying it.  If I read a story about some man who gave a speech, and I look at a photo that says Yes!  It really was a man!  And he has a beard!  And a hat!  And he spoke!  I'm denying that I'd find the photo adds to the story.  I feel the same way, BTW, about photos of Biden or Trump giving a speech.  It'd be interesting if it's a photo of them falling off a bike or tripping when walking down a ramp.  But giving a speech? I see the photos in those cases as just being filler for the newspaper.  Why does that add to the story for you?

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You're a more data based person by personality (I'm guessing), so this may not be as relatable to you as it pertains to the average person (who has a pretty difficult time reading through a medical study or the proverbial wall of text). Attractive graphics, layout, and insertion of imagery helps them not get bored and turn the page (the average person doesn't necessarily read a magazine or paper from cover to cover, which is why it's important for articles and advertisements to be attention grabbing), and to retain the information consumed through memory hooks.


You know all this, though. You're likely significantly more educated than myself in most fields, this one included (this is all pretty basic for anyone in any sort of educational or informational capacity, particularly if catering to a clientele that needs things presented in a maximally palatable fashion).

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6150 on: August 22, 2022, 02:58:20 PM »
Why do frum newspapers and magazines include photos of men?

Because it helps them sell more copies. People have an urge to see pictures of celebrities.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6151 on: August 22, 2022, 03:05:15 PM »
Because it helps them sell more copies. People have an urge to see pictures of celebrities.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6152 on: August 22, 2022, 03:19:49 PM »
The photos are also part of the magazines effort to keep the magazine aesthetically pleasing. Choosing the right font, layout of columns, headlines, colors etc. are all important.
I can  understand the font, layout, colors, etc, and interspersing white space to make smaller blocks of text.  And I can understand photos that are meaningful additions to the text.  I just don't see how a headshot or standing-at-a-shtender photo adds to the text.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6153 on: August 22, 2022, 03:59:28 PM »

You're a more data based person by personality (I'm guessing), so this may not be as relatable to you as it pertains to the average person (who has a pretty difficult time reading through a medical study or the proverbial wall of text). Attractive graphics, layout, and insertion of imagery helps them not get bored and turn the page (the average person doesn't necessarily read a magazine or paper from cover to cover, which is why it's important for articles and advertisements to be attention grabbing), and to retain the information consumed through memory hooks.

You know all this, though. You're likely significantly more educated than myself in most fields, this one included (this is all pretty basic for anyone in any sort of educational or informational capacity, particularly if catering to a clientele that needs things presented in a maximally palatable fashion).
Yes, we respond to faces, so they're a good way to grab attention.  If I were designing a billboard on the side of the road where people usually don't look, I put a face there to grab their attention.  But we're talking about a page of a newspaper that people have already decided to buy.  You already have their attention.

Yes, we respond to emotion and facial expressions.  But the newspaper photos I've seen aren't usually faces expressing some kind of emotion, they're just people giving a lecture or maybe smiling at the camera.

Yes, we remember better when we see something, so educators often include images for that reason.  Is that what you think when you see the photo?  "That was very useful, now I'll remember that  ____ gave a speech last week"?

I'm not saying there should be pictures, but the pictures should add some meaning to the article, and there are a lot more interesting ways to do that rather than a headshot and/or speaker shot.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6154 on: August 22, 2022, 04:00:21 PM »
Because it helps them sell more copies. People have an urge to see pictures of celebrities.
Is that so?  I'm not familiar with them, in general, so wouldn't know.  Are these people celebrities? 

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6155 on: August 22, 2022, 04:02:33 PM »

I am WAY behind on that series.  Maybe I should take that out of the library this week instead of the Yated.

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6156 on: August 22, 2022, 04:03:03 PM »
Why do people have avatar pictures?
Good question!  How would you answer it?

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6157 on: August 22, 2022, 04:12:20 PM »
Good question!  How would you answer it?

What picture doesn't matter but the reader's brain definitely processes much faster who the poster is.   

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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6158 on: August 22, 2022, 04:22:30 PM »
DDF manages to maintain our interest without too many images.
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Re: Random questions.
« Reply #6159 on: August 22, 2022, 04:25:03 PM »
What picture doesn't matter but the reader's brain definitely processes much faster who the poster is.   
True.  When I see posts from YitzyS, I immediately realize I'm about to hear from a fun-loving, mischievous, skinny boy, who's about 3 1/2 feet tall.

ETA: Still envision him that way, even if he's masquerading as a flag.
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