Author Topic: Kosher Switch (Read 71890 times)

good sam · « **Reply #200 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:00:16 PM »

Quote from: Dan on April 16, 2015, 03:56:40 PM

The ad was funny, get over it, what does that have to do with haskamas?
And how is this any different than children getting used to an eruv?

I'm not saying I'm for this product, luckily that's not my decision and I've posed the question to my own rov. But some of the attacks are just silly.

Quote from: rivkao on April 16, 2015, 03:57:42 PM

An Eruv was something introduced by Chazal, totally different than this.

Are we starting again from the beginning?

AnonymousUser · « **Reply #201 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:01:01 PM »

Quote from: rivkao on April 16, 2015, 03:57:42 PM

An Eruv was something introduced by Chazal, totally different than this.

If this is legit, they're both legal loopholes. How is it different?

rivkao · « **Reply #202 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:02:07 PM »

A legal loophole created by chazal is entirely different

dealfinder85 · « **Reply #203 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:03:32 PM »

Quote from: rivkao on April 16, 2015, 04:02:07 PM

A legal loophole created by chazal is entirely different

mechiras chametz is a legal loophole
an eruv is not

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #204 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:05:39 PM »

Quote from: dealfinder85 on April 16, 2015, 04:03:32 PM

mechiras chametz is a legal loophole
an eruv is not

And neither is a (theoretical) electrical switch that has no Grama.

AnonymousUser · « **Reply #205 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:05:43 PM »

Quote from: rivkao on April 16, 2015, 04:02:07 PM

A legal loophole created by chazal is entirely different

If it's a loophole, it wasn't created by chazal. It was inherently part of the halacha as given by Hashem. Chazal just set up a practical application. So again, why is this different?

dealfinder85 · « **Reply #206 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:07:27 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on April 16, 2015, 04:05:39 PM

And neither is a (theoretical) electrical switch that has no Grama.

agreed
but im not getting into whether it has or not, bc im not qualified to make that call

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #207 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:09:23 PM »

Quote from: shnoz on April 16, 2015, 03:37:02 PM

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/302658/the-kosherswitch-were-rabbonim-misled-and-a-halachic-analysis.html

Nice article and I could even understand it. Have no idea in the info is correct.

What I do know is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. This is nothing but a trick to get around certain rules.

Maybe I should get in contact with these guys to see if they can make me a DeathSwitch? Anyone what to guess where I am going with this one?

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #208 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:10:17 PM »

Quote from: dealfinder85 on April 16, 2015, 04:07:27 PM

agreed
but im not getting into whether it has or not, bc im not qualified to make that call

Exactly, which is why all the talk about "spirit of Shabbos" and "what will the kids think" and "my grandmother didn't use this" is just a distraction from the real issue here, is it Halachically allowed or not...

Achas Veachas · « **Reply #209 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:11:10 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 16, 2015, 04:09:23 PM

Nice article and I could even understand it. Have no idea in the info is correct.

What I do know is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. This is nothing but a trick to get around certain rules.

Maybe I should get in contact with these guys to see if they can make me a DeathSwitch? Anyone what to guess where I am going with this one?

Remind me to never ever meet with you in a dark alley...

dealfinder85 · « **Reply #210 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:11:25 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on April 16, 2015, 04:10:17 PM

Exactly, which is why all the talk about "spirit of Shabbos" and "what will the kids think" and "my grandmother didn't use this" is just a distraction from the real issue here, is it Halachically allowed or not...

haha
many grandmothers havent used to not use light switches during the week either

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #211 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:19:55 PM »

Quote from: Achas Veachas on April 16, 2015, 04:11:10 PM

Remind me to never ever meet with you in a dark alley...

That will be the great thing about the DeathSwitch. I will not be responsible for the final action, correct?

Dan · « **Reply #212 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:20:52 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 16, 2015, 04:09:23 PM

Nice article and I could even understand it. Have no idea in the info is correct.

What I do know is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. This is nothing but a trick to get around certain rules.

Maybe I should get in contact with these guys to see if they can make me a DeathSwitch? Anyone what to guess where I am going with this one?

Judaism has a long rich history of Loopholes.
We even have a Loopholer Rebbe now

http://jewbellish.com/wsj-exclusive-loopholer-rebbe-doing-taylor-swift-parody/

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #213 on:** April 16, 2015, 04:29:00 PM »

Quote from: Dan on April 16, 2015, 04:20:52 PM

Judaism has a long rich history of Loopholes.

It is not only Judaism. I seen this movie before.

Here is what qualifies as a fast on one of the Holiest days of the year.
Four egg omelet at breakfast with no meat.
Two tuna fish sandwiches for lunch. Each about an inch thick. Throw in either apple/cherry pie with ice cream on top.
Pound of shrimp for dinner. Sides of mac/cheese and butter noodles.

After that fast I can't eat for a few days.

PlatinumGuy · « **Reply #214 on:** April 16, 2015, 05:40:35 PM »

Quote from: good sam on April 16, 2015, 02:15:18 PM

1. According to your logic he shouldn't have said it without a bracha either.
2. I'm pretty sure he didn't.

I'm not sure whether or not he said it, but there is a considerable community that says it without bracha in the belief that it was a big yeshua to am yisroel yet we are unable to be metaken it to the point where there would be a bracha.

Quote from: noturbizniss on April 16, 2015, 02:07:21 PM

meaning we can't add a yom tov to say hallel with a bracha on. Doesn't change the fact that if we had the power to do that then a brocha would be said

Does the fact that if chazal were around nowadays they would've decreed electricity Assur mean we have to pretend they decreed it?

Why?

DanH · « **Reply #215 on:** April 16, 2015, 05:54:18 PM »

http://text.rcarabbis.org/the-kosher-switch-a-response-from-the-tzomet-institutes-rabbi-yisrael-rosen/

and updated due to recent noise:
http://www.zomet.org.il/?CategoryID=281&ArticleID=923

AsherO · « **Reply #216 on:** April 16, 2015, 07:19:57 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 16, 2015, 04:29:00 PM

It is not only Judaism. I seen this movie before.

Here is what qualifies as a fast on one of the Holiest days of the year.
Four egg omelet at breakfast with no meat.
Two tuna fish sandwiches for lunch. Each about an inch thick. Throw in either apple/cherry pie with ice cream on top.
Pound of shrimp for dinner. Sides of mac/cheese and butter noodles.

After that fast I can't eat for a few days.

so that's what Goyim eat on Erev Yom Kippur?

Freddie · « **Reply #217 on:** April 16, 2015, 07:22:59 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 16, 2015, 04:09:23 PM

Nice article and I could even understand it. Have no idea in the info is correct.

What I do know is if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck. This is nothing but a trick to get around certain rules.

Maybe I should get in contact with these guys to see if they can make me a DeathSwitch? Anyone what to guess where I am going with this one?

LOL!
Wasn't that a Charles Bronson flick? The one where he plays a rabbi?

ChaimMoskowitz · « **Reply #218 on:** April 16, 2015, 07:33:06 PM »

Quote from: Freddie on April 16, 2015, 07:22:59 PM

LOL!
Wasn't that a Charles Bronson flick? The one where he plays a rabbi?

Death Wish but I don't remember a rabbi. As far as the switch would I be held responsible for flipping it?

Freddie · « **Reply #219 on:** April 16, 2015, 07:52:53 PM »

Quote from: ChaimMoskowitz on April 16, 2015, 07:33:06 PM

Death Wish but I don't remember a rabbi. As far as the switch would I be held responsible for flipping it?

T'was a joke, Chaim.

Anyway, regarding your question about murder. The answer is that with gerama, the murderer is chayav bidei shamayim and patur bidei adam. In other words, it's murder the court just can't mete out punishment.

I will look for the source and post later, b"n.