Kosher Switch

[yitrap]

Assered=forbade.

Right, sorry CM

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Assered=forbade.

Same as assur?

[yitrap]

Same as assur?

past tense, we are quite advanced

[Achas Veachas]

Same as assur?

A verb in past tense. He Assered=He made it Assur

[Freddie]

Now that this one has a fork in it lets move on. Am I understanding correctly that there are timers that are kosher?

A timer can be kosher, yeah. Imagine before shabbos you choose to light a candle that will burn out in 2 hours as opposed to a candle that will burn out in 6 hours. So, setting a time to shut off is pretty much like that.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

A timer can be kosher, yeah. Imagine before shabbos you choose to light a candle that will burn out in 2 hours as opposed to a candle that will burn out in 6 hours. So, setting a time to shut off is pretty much like that.

Can you set a timer to turn something on, off then back on?

[yakov116]

Can you set a timer to turn something on, off then back on?

Yes

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Yes

Then lets drop the candle red herring.

[Achas Veachas]

Can you set a timer to turn something on, off then back on?

There is nothing wrong with having electricity turn on and off on Shabbat. The Torah only forbids us to do the action of turning it on or off. So if we can set a timer before Shabbat to have the electricity turn on and off by itself then we are all set (unlike the Kosher Switch where you are setting it ON Shabbat to turn the electricity on or off).

[ygygold]

There is nothing wrong with having electricity turn on and off on Shabbat. The Torah only forbids us to do the action of turning it on or off. So if we can set a timer before Shabbat to have the electricity turn on and off by itself then we are all set (unlike the Kosher Switch where you are setting it ON Shabbat to turn the electricity on or off).

That's true, but not for everything. You are not allowed to have a oven/hot plate turn on in Shabbos.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

There is nothing wrong with having electricity turn on and off on Shabbat. The Torah only forbids us to do the action of turning it on or off. So if we can set a timer before Shabbat to have the electricity turn on and off by itself then we are all set (unlike the Kosher Switch where you are setting it ON Shabbat to turn the electricity on or off).

I understand but my point was that the timer and candle have nothing in common. To your point would it OK to hire someone for Shabbat to turn on/off your electric appliances? I work cheap. 

[Dan]

http://heebmagazine.com/the-secret-life-of-shabbos-goys-2/1120

[Achas Veachas]

I understand but my point was that the timer and candle have nothing in common. To your point would it OK to hire someone for Shabbat to turn on/off your electric appliances? I work cheap. 

The difference between you and a timer is that you are intelligent (to some degree) and we are also not allowed to have someone do it FOR us. The timer is dumb and doesn't do anything FOR any reason, it just does what it was set up to do.

That being said, under certain circumstances it may be allowed but those are some of the more complex laws of Shabbat.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

http://heebmagazine.com/the-secret-life-of-shabbos-goys-2/1120

So I might have a future job when I retire?

[Achas Veachas]

So I might have a future job when the UPS method dies?

FTFY

[AnonymousUser]

That's true, but not for everything. You are not allowed to have a oven/hot plate turn on in Shabbos.

Why?

FTFY

Paging CM. I think he wants to be added to your list.

[ChaimMoskowitz]

It has been interesting and you all enjoy your special day. I will have some reading to do especially something a member sent me. 

[Freddie]

It has been interesting and you all enjoy your special day. I will have some reading to do especially something a member sent me. 

Sounds fascinating!

[ChaimMoskowitz]

Sounds fascinating!

The first few lines were but I am to tired now to give it the proper attention it deserves.

[avromie7]

That's true, but not for everything. You are not allowed to have a oven/hot plate turn on in Shabbos.

Unless you hold like r' Moshe that is not true however when the oven turns on you are not allowed to have food in it leaving you with no reason to do that